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 Posted - 09 Jul 2010 : 14:32:10
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"Favors" equal - for sure.
But liability falls squarely in the driver's lap. Someone here pointed that fact out...and so I think about that & because of it, I am very hesitant to take more than the required number of slugs.
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CJ
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Posted - 12 Jul 2010 : 11:28:54
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Sorry, but I've been both a rider and a driver. Yeah it certainly sucks to stand out in the heat and the rain and the cold. BEEN THERE-DONE THAT. However as as rider I have NEVER incured a financial liability. As a rider I've never had to pay for gas, No cop has ever given me a ticket for standing at a commuter lot and God forbid, if I am ever in an accident while slugging, it will only be the driver getting sued by the slugs not the other way around, so when it comes to things like the radio etc well yeah its driver's choice. By the way, I also did a short stint riding the bus and it sucked more than any slug ride I've ever had.
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CallmeMrSlug
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Posted - 12 Jul 2010 : 23:51:08
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I am not sure I understand the whole liability issue. Liability incurs if the driver is negligent and causes an injury. I would presume, and it has been my good fortune, to ride with very careful drivers who insure against liability by driving safely. I would doubt they would drive less safely if there are three or four in the car, because the risk is no greater with 3 or 4 passengers but there might be a slight increase in exposure. And slugs don't get into a car hoping the driver gets into an accident so they can sue the driver. We just want to get to work and home from it as quick as you do. Although I have seen this concern expressed several times through the years, I am unaware of any documented case of a slug suing any driver.
Personally, if a driver got into a minor fender bender, unless I was carted off to a hospital with serious bodily injury, and the insurance company did not pay the expenses, I would never sue the driver. I think I assume somewhat of a risk when I get into a strangers car, and while the driver owes me a duty of care to drive safely, I have never thought of it as a situation where any minor accident is compensable unless there is a serious injury involved. And God Bless us, we have not have had that happen for as long as I have been riding. Most riders watch the road like the driver does, especially in the front seat. I would not hesitate to point out a dangerous situation to a driver or to just reaffirm the concern expressed by the driver. When there is a fourth in the vehicle it is just another set of eyes looking for the same type of problems for the driver. We really care that you get there safely, and we do empathize when traffic is bad, or heavy rain or snow falls. We are all in this together, and we want the same thing, a safe journey.
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Oosik
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Posted - 13 Jul 2010 : 09:56:29
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As liability was discussed earlier in this thread, it was first referring to drivers getting ticketed. But, when addressing potential liability to the driver if a slug is injured I believe taking more than required to drive HOV absolutely increases the exposure of the driver. As I have noted before, I would not leave a woman abandoned by herself and will and have taken slugs past the HOV time periods. However, the more passengers the more possibility that you have someone who is litigous and the more people who have potential to get hurt in an accident.
It's really simple mathematics and a reflection that accidents can happen. No driver is going to know if the slug they take is prone to file litigation if something bad happens -- I just choose not to rob slugs from other drivers and to increase my liability without good cause. |
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Pentagon1
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Posted - 17 Jul 2010 : 11:39:15
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CJ - I have been both rider and driver as well. Mostly driving daily for last 6 months or so. But I think you're missing the point -- You choose to drive. Slugs choose to ride.
If it was too much for someone to pay gas, incur potential liability, etc, then they don't drive. And if it's too much for slugs to tolerate rude drivers then they don't slug (which is one reason I switched to driving).
But the attitude that slugs are somehow obliged to tolerate rude drivers because they are somehow "doing them a favor" is ridiculous. |
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CJ
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Posted - 17 Jul 2010 : 14:54:40
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Pentagon-
I never said that riders should tolerate rude drivers. In fact, I've never encountered either riders or drivers who were rude, then again I guess my definition of rude is different than yours. A driver listening to a radio station that I don't like is not rude. Having the radio a bit loud is not rude, it's annoying but not rude. Slugging is beneficial to both driver and rider-I never said it wasn't and yes I equate the cost of gas and maintenance as equal to the time a rider stands in the elements. BUT don't try to equate standing out in the rain to getting a $100 ticket. Don't equate standing in the heat to the potential liability of someone stopping short in front of you and you rear ending them (legally your fault but maybe not avoidable) and all the costs you could incur for whiplash etc from ALL parties involved. They are not the same.
It's a sad state of affairs when rude is considered to be listening to a radio station you like, in your car, on your way home from work.
PS The driver legally CAN'T listen to an iPod (and Good God the posts on here if someone did!)but all the riders can.
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Pentagon1
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Posted - 24 Jul 2010 : 08:48:16
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| I turn it to WTOP when I pick up slugs because I'm pretty sure they don't want to listen to my political talk show or my hard metal music. To leave the radio on that would be rude (in my opinion). |
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greateditor
Starting Member
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 15:53:33
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I also think the initial comment was racist in nature. Why was it necessary to mention the rider's race? I'm quite sure that if the rider were of the caucasian persuasion, the driver would've just said "a man". The whole tone of the comment changed when the rider's race was inserted. That being said, I think the rider over-reacted to the "nth" degree! Calling the police and writing down the tag number was completely unnecessary and over the top. What would the police have done if they were at the scene? They would've given the rider a ticket for misusing the time of a police officer. His actions were completely stupid and unnecessary. As soon as he got in my car and attempted to order me to turn my radio down, I would have immediately told him to get out of my car and never pick him up again. Yes, riders and drivers should always be considerate of each other and abide by all the unwritten rules as much as possible. But if someone doesn't like listening to the radio, that's one of the reasons earphones were invented, especially really good, noise blocking ones.  |
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CJ
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Posted - 29 Jul 2010 : 16:33:00
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Well Pentagon I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on what constitutes rude behavior. All I can say is if you get into a blue jeep going to 234 from the pentagon be prepared for 80s music because I absolutely will not listen to the same poorly reported "news stories" over and over on WTOP.
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RetiredMarine
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Posted - 30 Jul 2010 : 07:53:06
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| Agree with CJ when I drive I listen to what I want in my car. It is not loud. |
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BIGNAT
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Posted - 03 Aug 2010 : 14:21:14
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Lol. No matter how long I wait to come on here and read the stories, it's still see the same stuff. This is the second post I read today in which race is mentioned but race is really not an essential part of the story. I guess Omini is telling us to be on the look out for "a rude black man in a suite." Lol. That should narow it down for us. Lol.
Well, like I always say, your cars your rules. People play their music and yes sometimes it's too loud. Would I ask for it to be turned down...no. Do I play the raido loud, no. However, as we all know, some folks do. So you rather get into a confrontation with a rider or driver about what's on the radio or how loud it is rather than just bearing it and never getting in their car again? Ha! To each its own.
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Our Mom Spot
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Posted - 16 Aug 2010 : 14:49:43
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Originally posted by Oosik
It's really simple mathematics and a reflection that accidents can happen. No driver is going to know if the slug they take is prone to file litigation if something bad happens -- I just choose not to rob slugs from other drivers and to increase my liability without good cause.
Well, said.
1) You could be taking slugs from someone else.
2) The more people in your car, the more your insurance pays out in the event of an accident. It's just math.
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trapps
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Posted - 19 Aug 2010 : 12:42:00
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Omini,
I have a issue with you saying a rude Black man! You had what you percieved as a rude passenger peroid. No need for decriptions. Did he ask you to turn down your radioor or insisted you turn it down? I normally play a nice low jazz in order to not offend anyone in the car. Silence is a killer while you ride but everyone might not like to hear blasting music on the ride.
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BurkeSlugin
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Posted - 20 Aug 2010 : 22:13:44
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| You have to be flexible to be a slug. If a slugger feels the need to control the radio station selection, the radio volume, the air conditioner temperature, etc., maybe that person is better suited to being a driver. |
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Pentagon1
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Posted - 24 Aug 2010 : 19:50:29
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CJ - For once I think we agree on something. I hate WTOP and their non-news BS.
To others: The point is not that "slugs control the radio". That is absurd. The point is simple manners. Civility and good manners apply.
I seriously doubt very many people like my music choice. I know that so I change it when I pickup slugs. No big deal. Put on something middle of the road, and at a reasonable volume. It's called manners.
And yeah 80s music is probably perfectly acceptable to most people. |
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