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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote lisad219 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Feb 2012 at 12:01pm
I have nothing against Hybrids other than I notice they are the majority of the slow pokes. Whether SUV or Hybrid - I think the main point here is stay in the right lane no matter what you drive to allow people to pass. [:D]
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And let's all hope those drivers passing in the left lane will be courteous enough to let the drivers in the right lane move to the left to make their left-hand exits between DC and the Occoquan (such as Shirlington, Seminary Rd, VA-644, VA-7900, and others).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pele Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Feb 2012 at 2:41pm
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Originally posted by mdog

One of the main reasons hybrids are slow is because they are underpowered (smaller engines to keep MPG high) and overweight (extra weight of all those batteries), which becomes apparent in highway high speed driving conditions where power/weight is crucial. Long uphill stretches like b.w Duke and Seminary St. where hybrids struggle to even maintain speed is a good illustration.

However, considering a lot of them are equiped with low rolling resitance (= low friction) tires that are terrible in the road handling and stopping distance departments, them driving slow may be not such a bad thing after all.



The small gasoline engine is made up for by the high torque of the electric motor... Hard acceleration and hard braking are actually where a hybrid stands out, hence their improved mileage in the city.
One really needs to adapt their driving style to the hybrid drivetrain, they aren't the average car. I've gotten the Ford Escape and Fusion Hybrids at work hauling rear on the beltway.

I would love to get a hold of a 1st gen (2000-2006) Honda Insight or 2003-2005 Civic Hybrid. You can really get them moving on a tight road race or autocross course. Unfortunately, finding one that isn't beaten to crap and equipped with a manual transmission is damn near impossible. Until then, I'm kinda stuck with the 1991 Honda CRX.


However I do agree with you on the LRR tires. I keep three sets of wheels for the CRX. Performance all seasons on alloy wheels for everyday use; Snow tires on steelies for the winter; and R-Compounds on ultralight alloy wheels for the track. Proper traction goes a long way towards keeping one from becoming a red smear on the Jersey wall.

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The small gasoline engine is made up for by the high torque of the electric motor... Hard acceleration and hard braking are actually where a hybrid stands out, hence their improved mileage in the city.
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Torque is important for acceleration from stand still, and just like you've said, hybrids shine in stop-n-go traffic (or tight road race or autocross course).

However, at highway speeds you primarily need power, not torque, to move fast.
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Torque is important for acceleration from stand still, and just like you've said, hybrids shine in stop-n-go traffic (or tight road race or autocross course).

However, at highway speeds you primarily need power, not torque, to move fast.



Not when you weigh less than 2000 lbs and have one of the lowest drag coefficients of any production car. :D

Once you get it up to speed, you can set a feather on the throttle and it'll maintain its speed.

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Not when you weigh less than 2000 lbs and have one of the lowest drag coefficients of any production car. :D

Once you get it up to speed, you can set a feather on the throttle and it'll maintain its speed.


I bet all those left lane hoggers OP wrote about think the same...
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Originally posted by mdog


I bet all those left lane hoggers OP wrote about think the same...



Touche...

My feather is made of lead.


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Actually, my Prius has incredible acceleration when I use the "boost" button, which guns the drive train with immediate torque from the batteries without waiting for the gas-driven power to arrive. Have you seen the videos on Top Gear of the hybrid beating the Porsche at the quarter-mile because it gets up to speed faster?

It is completely true that the hybrids with the exemption are not reducing traffic: they need to have their privileges revoked. But you are mistaken about the battery/electricity/coal thing, at least for regular hybrids: the electricity is generated entirely by the vehicle itself, mostly from braking force being captured - there is no wallplug connected to the grid and its coal plants.

But another point is worth making: plug-in electric vehicles are different -- their emissions are worst on the first day of ownership and then improve every day. Why? Because the grid is itself cleaner every day, over time. Think about it!
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Their exemption will be revoked soon (up to Edsell Rd) and then they can pick up Slugs (Yes, I know some already do).

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Actually, it's only on I-95 to Edsell. I -66 as well as North of Edsell is still HOV with hybrid exemption.

Interesting that motorcycles are toll exempt, apparently for no reason.

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Their exemption will be revoked soon (up to Edsell Rd) and then they can pick up Slugs (Yes, I know some already do).

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