HOT question: tolls during non-rush hour

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   During non-rush hours, do riders on the proposed HOT lanes have to pay toll?

	If so, can we avoid the toll if we carry the required 3 or 4 people?

	Or can the toll be avoided only for HOV 3 or 4 during rush hour?

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shahedC Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 25 Oct 2003 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote shahedC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: HOT question: tolls during non-rush hour Posted: 18 Jul 2005 at 8:35am
	During non-rush hours, do riders on the proposed HOT lanes have to pay toll? If so, can we avoid the toll if we carry the required 3 or 4 people? Or can the toll be avoided only for HOV 3 or 4 during rush hour?

shahedC Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 25 Oct 2003 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote shahedC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Jul 2005 at 4:38pm
	Thanks for the info, RLD.

vaqtpie Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote vaqtpie Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Jul 2005 at 8:22pm
	So if the HOV goes toll road, are the drivers going to expect us to help pay the toll? Does anyone know what van pools cost?

bowflexguy Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote bowflexguy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Jul 2005 at 8:51pm
	$100 a month for van pool....but this is DC you get paid a ton - just open your wallet.

shahedC Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 25 Oct 2003 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote shahedC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Jul 2005 at 9:05am
	vaqtpie, there's no charge for the riders if you have the prerequisite number of people in your car (HOV 3 or HOV 4), so the driver doesn't have to expect anything from the riders, since there will be no toll. My only concern here was for non-rush hour times... I go to DC on weekends and sometimes on weeknights, so it's nice to be able to use the HOV lanes when available. But since they will always charge, I can always take the backroads...

defender Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 12 Jan 2005 Location: va Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote defender Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Jul 2005 at 9:46am
	quote: Originally posted by shahedC [br]v --- since there will be no toll --- LMAOROTG

SpongeBob Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 06 Oct 2004 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote SpongeBob Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Jul 2005 at 10:57am
	Defender is speechless, so allow me to answer, Shahedc: (and pardon me while I raise my voice yet again for the benefit of the hard of hearing and the small of brain...) THERE WILL BE NO FREE HOV BECAUSE THERE IS NO TECHNOLOGY TO DO IT! YOU CANNOT CHARGE ONE CAR A TOLL AND NOT CHARGE ANOTHER CAR AT MULTIPLE SMARTTAG LOCATIONS WITH MULTIPLE EXITS. THE TOLL BOOTHS CANNOT TELL, AND NEVER EVER WILL BE ABLE TO TELL, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN A CAR. ONLY THE HUMAN EYE CAN VERIFY HOV-3, AND YOU CANNOT PUT A PERSON ON EVERY OFFRAMP 24/7, ESPECIALLY THE HIGH-SPEED SLIP-RAMPS. AND HOW COULD THEY TELL IF YOU PAID OR NOT? OR HOW MUCH YOU PAID? OR WHEN YOU GOT ON THE TOLLWAY? Ergo, and for the last flippin' time folks, The Toll Booth Will Charge HOV Cars the SAME EXACT AMOUNT as the SOV's. Believe me, Fluor and Clark both KNOW this. (Man, I'm out of breath.)

shahedC Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 25 Oct 2003 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote shahedC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Jul 2005 at 11:07am
	Obviously, I understand that an automatic toll gate cannot count heads, so I figured they would provide a manned gate at every entry to ensure that... if not, then they've been lying this whole time when they tell us that HOV will not be charged on HOT. Why have they been telling us this? So yeah, if everyone gets charged, then this will break up the slug system... now I see the concern for all this... if there's no HOV, then both the main lines and the HOT lanes will be congested. So... do you know when construction is expected to begin? Also, when will the first phase be complete to put HOT in effect?

KCWolfPck Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 12 Nov 2003 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote KCWolfPck Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Jul 2005 at 11:43am
	quote: Originally posted by SpongeBob [br]THERE WILL BE NO FREE HOV BECAUSE THERE IS NO TECHNOLOGY TO DO IT! You sure do spout out speculation like it really means something. Do you care to back up this statement with facts? Thought not......

defender Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 12 Jan 2005 Location: va Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote defender Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Jul 2005 at 11:56am
	quote: Originally posted by KCWolfPck [br] quote: Originally posted by SpongeBob [br]THERE WILL BE NO FREE HOV BECAUSE THERE IS NO TECHNOLOGY TO DO IT! You sure do spout out speculation like it really means something. Do you care to back up this statement with facts? Thought not...... Tell me what technology you can use. We'd all love to see a demonstration.