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[br]I disagree about lobbyists, paid or otherwise. What we need is a viable alternative publicly stated that

1. Is so full of common sense that politicians can get behind it



Common sense and politician in the same sentence? Are you sure you live in northern Virginia? :=)

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[br]From MJ on another HOV topic:
http://www.wtop.com/index.php?nid=25&sid=385255



Some environmentalists stress the states should also be studying how the lanes would connect to bus and rail service, to encourage commuters to use mass transit.

Check those "environmentalists" very carefully. Should the states also be studying how to use the existing empty seats? Or does that involve pot helmeted thugs bayoneting people into slug lines?

Those self same "envirornmentalists" will chew up the slugs and spit them out if the slugs are to be so bold as to point out efficient use of empty seats in the cars of the drive alones.

Check out DCEN/FOE. DC environmental network, Friends of the Earth for an organized environtmental group. Slugs need an organization similar to DCEN/FOE.

An example of a DCEN/FOE project:

"Defenders of Potomac River Parkland
Media contact: Sally Strain, 202-363-4546, seawalk@starpower.net,
www.savethecanal.org

Citizens Decry Building of Private Recreation Facility in C&O Canal
National Historical Park..."

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Summation of the 1/5/05 Slug meeting on HOT Lanes:

Good discussion on the HOT lane issue and other general slugging/ commuting issues. We attempted to come up with a charter of what are purpose was and what we wanted to accomplish.

Our primary purpose is to keep the best HOV system in the country free. Keep HOV Free! We want to make certain HOV remains a viable and successful option for commuting in the Washington DC area and in particular on the I95&395 corridor. We want to work against threats to all forms of ridesharing. The primary threat in front of us now is HOT Lanes.

We discussed reasons why HOT Lanes are not a good solution for the corridor. In addition to the general overuse of HOV lanes and damage they’ll cause to slugging we broadened the scope to how they affect more than just commuters. First small business and the trucking industry are going to be negatively impacted. Both of them use the HOV lanes during non-HOV hours to avoid traffic congestion. If HOT Lanes are implemented no matter what time they use them their going to be paying a toll. The same goes for average citizens traveling on the weekends. Most folks in this region know that they can use the HOV lanes on weekends to make their local trips easier. With HOT Lanes they’re going to be paying a toll even on weekends. More importantly HOT Lanes are going to encourage sprawl. Most of the local communities have come to realize the benefits of building new housing near transportation nodes. When they give folks the opportunity to drive by themselves in HOT Lanes the need to build near train stations and commuter lots is going to go away. We’ll loose whatever start government has on controlling sprawl.

From there we started to discuss where do we go from here. We need to communicate our position to elected officials. We need to do it in a consolidated, unified way. We need to call and write the office of local elected officials. We need to write letters-to-the-editor to local newspapers, we need to communicate with the press via press releases and other media events to educate the general public on the dangers of HOT Lanes.

We also discussed a need to develop a viable alternative to HOT Lanes to use in our discussions with government officials. What can we offer them as a good transportation solution. We didn’t get to a point of fully developing alternatives.

We need to mention that Supervisor Corey Stewart (PWC – Occoquan) sent a representative to the meeting. He wanted to attend, but unfortunately could not. He wanted us to know that he is against HOT Lanes and supports our efforts. We want to convene again when it is convenient for Supv. Stewart to join us. I’ve emailed him asking when would be a good time for this meeting.

We left with the following priorities:
1. Recruit like minded commuters to join the effort in opposing HOT Lanes
2. Start drafting letter templates that everyone can use to send a letter to elected officials.
3. Communicate with each other to make sure we stay united.

To number 3 I have created a website http://www.savehov.org . It’s in it’s infancy, but it’s a tool we can use to publicize our stances as well as communicate with each other. There is a secure location you can sign up for on the website where we will have the ability to provide information useful to the battle such as contact information for elected officials and letter templates. I do have to warn you the security features requires you to request membership and I have to activate the membership. There maybe a 12-24 hour delay between you making the request and getting a response back from me. If you have any thoughts comments, etc. about the website and effort please don’t hesitate to share.

To those of you who attended the first meeting, thank you and if I left anything out of the summation please feel free to add to it.
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http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke%5C16993.html


Private financing of public roads in Virginia is more concept than
fact, says an analysis by an environmental group.


Little of the money spent to build roads under the state's
Public-Private Transportation Act actually comes from private sources,
according to the Southern Environmental Law Center, based in
Charlottesville....

SELC is the legal arm of the Sierra Club, Virginia chapter. It is not
surprising that they would be trying to come up with diversions such as
this.

The SELC (Southern Environmental Law Center, based in
Charlottesville.) also doesn't seem to mind that the $4 billion Dulles Rail Line
is most of the way through the PPTA process, not yet finally approved,
where Becthel would build the thing WITH NO USER FUNDING WHATSOEVER,
with the entire $4 billion coming from taxpayer largesse. This truly is
a mis-use of the PPTA process, a boondoggle, but since it is not a
highway project, the SELC is not speaking out against it.


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State panel advances plans for HOT lanes


VDOT will analyze contractors' detailed proposals for I-95 toll lanes

By EDIE GROSS

Date published: 1/21/2005

Two proposals to stretch commuter express lanes down Interstate 95 to Fredericksburg will get serious consideration by the Virginia Department of Transportation.

The Commonwealth Transportation Board agreed yesterday to have VDOT look at more detailed plans by both teams of builders that have offered to construct the high-occupancy toll, or HOT, lanes.

By this time next year, VDOT plans to recommend whether either proposal should move forward to construction.

Both plans would add HOT lanes from the Springfield Interchange to I-495.

One plan--submitted by Clark Construction Group, Shirley Contracting Co. and Koch Performance Roads--would also create three HOT lanes between the Springfield Interchange and U.S. 17 in Stafford.

The second plan, put forth by Fluor Virginia of Arlington, would build three HOT lanes between the 14th Street Bridge outside Washington and State Route 610 in North Stafford, and two HOT lanes from there down to Massaponax.

HOT lanes operate like HOV lanes in that cars carrying three or more occupants can use them for free. But motorists without the required number of passengers could also use the lanes--for a fee.

The Clark/Shirley/Koch team estimates that its 36-mile project will cost about $407 million and take five years to complete. Fluor's 54-mile project would cost $999.3 million and take 61/2 years to finish.

Both teams intend to use bond money, toll revenues and a loan from the Federal Highway Administration to pay for the projects.

The proposals were brought forward under the state's Public-Private Transportation Act, which allows private firms to offer unsolicited projects if those firms are willing to take on the lion's share of the financial burden.

To reach EDIE GROSS: 540/374-5428 egross@freelancestar.com

Date published: 1/21/2005
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[br]State panel advances plans for HOT lanes


VDOT will analyze contractors' detailed proposals for I-95 toll lanes

By EDIE GROSS

Date published: 1/21/2005

...--submitted by Clark Construction Group, Shirley Contracting Co. and Koch Performance Roads--would also create three HOT lanes between the Springfield Interchange and U.S. 17 in Stafford....

The second plan, put forth by Fluor Virginia of Arlington, would build three HOT lanes between the 14th Street Bridge outside Washington and State Route 610 in North Stafford, and two HOT lanes from there down to Massaponax.

HOT lanes operate like HOV lanes in that cars carrying three or more occupants can use them for free. But motorists without the required number of passengers could also use the lanes--for a fee.

The Clark/Shirley/Koch team estimates that its 36-mile project will cost about $407 million and take five years to complete. Fluor's 54-mile project would cost $999.3 million and take 61/2 years to finish.

Both teams intend to use bond money, toll revenues and a loan from the Federal Highway Administration to pay for the projects.

...

To reach EDIE GROSS: 540/374-5428 egross@freelancestar.com

Date published: 1/21/2005




Finally, some dollar figures!

How about some quick back of the envelope calculations?

Three lanes, 36 miles, $407 Million, 5 years
OR 3 to 2 lanes, 54 miles, $999.3 Million, 6-1/2 years.

Projects to be funded by bonds. Bonds raise money by borrowing. There will be an interest rate. There will also be maintenance. Conservatively, interest and maintenance double the cost of the project. Low end is $814 Million. High end is 2.59 times as expensive on a lane mile basis.

Assume the lenders want their money back [with interest] in 30 years. At the low end, that is $27.13 million per year. Assume 200 days per year of collecting tolls. That is $135,700 per day. Half in the morning and half in the afternoon. $67,830 each morning, $67,830 each afternoon. Or if tolls are collected 24 hours per day, $5,650 per hour. Some hours may be more expensive than others.

For free flow, assume 1,500 vehicles per lane-hour. That is 4,500 vehicles per hour for three lanes. About $1.25 per trip each vehicle. About $0.03 per vehicle mile.

Now comes the hard part. Toll lanes will attract motorists only when they provide time and reliability improvements over parallel routes.

Assume rush hour lasts three hours in the morning and three hours in the afternoon. That means the daily expected income of $135,700 per day has to be collected in six hours instead of 24. One-fourth the time, four times the cost. Now we are at $5 per trip or $10 per day.

This scenario of a three hour morning rush hour moves only 13,500 of drive alone commuters. The demand is for something like 20,000 commuters. Every other car will have to carry at least one passenger. Or the free flow restriction would have to be lifted. Commuters would have to settle for capacity. At capacity, 21,600 commuters would be served in drive alone mode. They would pay an additional penalty of increased commuting time and unpredictable travel.

Is unpredictable commuting time desired? That is one question at the heart of the HOT issue.

Are we willing to pay big bucks for a project only to have it stand idle 18 hours a day?

Or is free flow a preferred alternative? If free flow is preferred, how much would it cost? Free flow would mean at least 10 minutes less travel time per trip. Free flow would mean predictable travel time.

How much is your time worth? You know your hourly income and you know your yearly income. You get paid for roughly 2,000 hours every year. There are 8,766 hours in a year (remember leap year). if you are a commuter, your income is upwards of $40,000 per year. About $4.50 per hour. If you count only working hours then you are admitting that time off is worthless. You can come and mow my lawn on your time off if you insist. Saving 10 minutes per trip or 20 minutes a day would be worth about $1.50.

At one extreme, passengers could be limited to buses. Tolls could be raised to buy enough buses to carry the additional 6,500 passengers. About 130 to 150 buses should do. How much would 150 buses cost? Figures I've seen are in the range of $35 per hour plus $1.25 per mile for a bus. Would the buses attract close in commuters or more distant commuters? Using numbers like one hour for each run (empty going out to pick up passengers) and 30 miles per trip, bus cost is about $72.50 per trip. About $1.45 per ride on a 50 passenger bus. That is a tempting number. Would you ride a bus for $1.45 to avoid a toll? How high would the toll have to be to induce you into a bus? Those numbers are operating cost only and don't factor the purchase price of the bus. What do you do with the buses and their drivers outside of rush hours? Two crews with four hour work days?

As a compromise, empty seats in the cars of the drive alones could be used. These passengers are called slugs. Or casual car pools if you prefer.

HOT proposers will use capacity flow of 2,400 vehicles per hour.

Capacity means unpredictable travel times at about 80% of the posted speed.

Free flow means predictable travel times at the posted speed limits.

Is your appetite whetted? Or is your head reeling from all these numbers? Ask your sixth graders to grind the numbers. Ask your High School freshmen to review County budgets. Ask students at Thomas Jefferson what they think about commuting. By the time they join the workforce, toady's discussion is the transportation system they will inherit. Shouldn't they have a say?


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The lead time on public works projects are measured in decades. Deciding what to do takes years and years and years. Once decided, time flies. A project may have five to ten years of review and discussion and take only one to five years to build and then last from thirty to 500 years.

HOT discussion has been around since Moses was a mess cook. The people that will use whatever decision comes from the discussion are in the sixth grade down to those still in diapers.

Would it be worth while getting the opinion of the people that would be using the system?

Some say no because they are too young to have knowledge of the alternatives.

Some say not even the people using today's transportation system should participate. They pay lip service to public discussion.

What do your children have to say about commuting? Are school buses a good deal? Is Thomas Jefferson High School a good deal?

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Members of the Virginia Delegation as well as County Supervisors have been identified as people to contact with your ideas on commuting. HOT ideas in particular.

Those self same delegates and supervisors have staff working on transportation issues. To be effective, people lobbying for some specific transportation issue should use the existing political structure to come to consensus.

There is a Commonwealth Transportation Board that does the footwork for decision making at the State level. Unless CTB goes along, it ain't gonna happen. If the CTB says so, it is practically law.

The Assembly and Senate have transportation related committees. Unless those committees give a thumbs up, it ain't gonna happen. What those committees say is practically law.

Trying to organize general support for a specific issue without working with CTB and the committees is futile.

I say futile because the number of delegates that have slug constituents is a very small number. Not enough votes to swing a budget or policy decision.

However, delegates have assets that are of more use than their single vote. For one, they know the cross section of voters. They know what the hot button issues are and what the majority of their voters think on any issue. They also know the people that are active on addressing issues.

They all have real world jobs. Some even have influence through their real job that is of more interest to slugs than the single vote they represent.

For instance, Ken Plum and Jim Dillard are school teachers. They know who determines what is taught in school. If you spoke nicely to them, you might get an introduction to the group that develops what is taught in school. And if you are really nice as well as being qualified, you might be asked to serve as a citizen advisor.

Does home economics classes have a module that treats transportation costs? Automobile insurance? How are slugs treated in the discussion? Is there a discussion of alternatives to single car commuting?

Do civic classes deal with how local tax money is spent and how to make an objective (or even subjective) comparison of how well tax money is being used?

The slug message might be better delivered out of the mouths of babes rather than some political pulpit.

For instance, Dick Saslaw operates gas stations. When it comes to many votes, he recuses himself for conflict of interest. But Senator Saslaw was very influential in getting the Pentagon exit ramps open for car pools. Ask Senator Saslaw how much of the VRE or METRO money stays in the local area.

How many elected officials have you seen campaigning at a slug line? How many have campaigned at a METRO stop?


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Can't reply to all the things you've written, Dick, but...

1. The project isn't being driven by the potential for toll receipts, but by the laying of pavement. It's the pavers, not the future road owner(s), who are driving the process. There is absolutely no purpose to estimating numbers since the other side will simply come up with their own plausible data to support whatever they want. And really, no one cares.

2. The plan is to have the toll road lanes in use 24/7 with the necessary downtime to reverse the lanes. That goes for the Shirley Highway and I-95 corridor only, I think. The rest of the toll roads appear to be 24/7 no reversing alongside existing roads. It's the pavement, stupid, as Carville might say.

3. The issue isn't slugging, it is about maintaining the ability to get into the city and back in a reasonable amount of time. More People--Fewer Vehicles.

4. The issue of political clout here is moot. I've spouted about this at length elsewhere.

5. Your lead time argument is... immaterial at best, Dick. They're planning to lay pavement in 2006. This ain't the Hoover Dam they're talking about -- it won't take decades. It's simply more pavement to allow more homes to be built south of the city. Pretty simple, and pretty impossible to stop.

6. But talking about the next generation is one of the key points I made in my very first post to Slug-Lines:

Do we want to live in a country where the government abdicates its responsibility to provide basic services such as transportation infrastructure?

Will every government service eventually be done by a private company, and the "market" will set the cost? Is that fair to our poorer citizens? Is it the right thing to do?

7. Sponge's Deepest Wisdom: Look at our neighbor... Hmmm. Hey! How did Maryland eliminate the scourge of toll roads? How? Why, the Governor aligned himself with the People! No Lexus Lanes, he cried. And lo, the evil lanes died.

This is our strongest and only hope. Frail as it is.
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http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/virginia/dp-va--dullesrail0122jan22,0,4770534.story?coll=dp-headlines-virginia

Developer suggest widening roads rather than extending rail to Dulles


By the Associated Press

Published January 22, 2005

RESTON, Va. -- A Reston-based developer who has fought the multibillion-dollar plan to extend Metrorail to Dulles International Airport has offered his own proposal to ease northern Virginia's transportation woes.

Under his plan, Chris Walker said his company would widen Interstate 66 and the Dulles Toll Road between Washington and the airport--a congested 27-mile route....

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