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HOV and Slugging provides several benefits: 1. reduces congestion, 2. reduces polution, 3. reduces gas consumption and reliance on fossil fuels, 4. provides an economical commute alternative for the suburban masses.
Hybrids compromise on these benefits: 1. single drivers increase congestion, 2. they still burn gas so they still contribute to polution, 3. they burn gas so they do not reduce our reliance on fossils fuels, 4. they are premium priced vehicles not economically friendly. The question is do hybrid owners need an HOV exemption? Or do the auto makers? Of course Hybrid owners could pick up riders. Hey, what a great idea! I love Hybrid owners who also pick up slugs! Think about all the positives! |
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SpongeBob
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Yeah, there might be a couple of secretaries who choose to buy high-breds. There are far, far more people who look at the $5,000 premium on the vehicles and shake their head; they can't afford that additional amount and don't see why they should pay it.
Remember, MOST people do their daily driving on county roads. If Virginia were serious about high-breds for their alleged pollution-reducing value, they would have created a state-wide incentive, rather than an incentive only for a handful of NoVa and Hampton Roads commuters. NoSUV is incorrect: there is no connection between the exemption and the toll roads. High-breds are not even mentioned anywhere in either of the two proposals. There is a zero percent chance high-breds will be given a free or reduced-fare ride on the toll roads, for the same reason carpools won't: it can't be done technically and it reduces the road's revenue for its owners. |
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VA4ver
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Not all people who own hybrids are "rich" -- know a few secretaries.... I "love" the stereotyping that goes on here.
Frankly I think that the hybrid issue will be addressed when the lanes are converted to HOT. HOT is the MOST important issue, then hybrids, then more parking for slugs, then extending HOV hours. |
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N_or_S_bound
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Sponge,
Very astute. What legislator will vote to not extend the exemption in the face of recent events? You can bet the auto manufacturers are going to exploit the latest tragedies to increase their profitability. Selling more over-priced hybrids under false pretenses will do what they need to do for their shareholders. NoSb SOV because you can, HOV because you care! |
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NoSUV
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Sponge, Just imagine all of those rich folk with hybrids putting their financial resources together to get the legislature to allow them the priviledge of using the express lanes. If not the exemption, of COURSE they are going to press for toll roads.
If we had to have one or the other, which would we prefer? It is a 100% guarantee that non-renewal of the exemption will lead to toll roads - with hybrid owners leading the charge. |
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SpongeBob
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Is there any point in arguing with NoSUV? Go teach a pig to sing instead.
Sad thing is, all this bickering is moot. The Va. legislature is almost certainly going to extend the exemption. How on earth could they not? Most of the public would see a vote against hybrids as a vote FOR the oil industry. Ridesharers know the unintended consequences of clogging the HOV with hybrids; consequences that not-very-intelligent folks like NoSUV have trouble grasping. Like toll roads, the exemption is available only to those who can afford it: seen any poor folk driving hybrids? That $5G premium isn't an option for most people. Only selfish pigs who want to take advantage of the HOV are buying high-breds. |
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MDC
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NoSUV intentionally leaves out how much time people spend to slug, not on the road driving. NoSUV thinks slugs, and slug drivers, should spend more time commuting than the people that drive themselves. I don't know why NoSUV wants this, but there's no doubt.
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Wagonman
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quote: On the state level a lot of the hybrid "push" is from the car dealers themselves. They are a significant political force and they love being able to charge over MSRP for vehicles. Ever look at any campaign financial disclosures for delegates and state senators? |
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quote: You mean the express lanes travel at the speed of the regular lanes... |
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quote: What are you talking about? You didn't do too well in reading comprehension did you? I'm saying that the hybrid incentive has outlived is usefulness. I didn't mention any tax or eliminating other incentives. In fact, an increased gas tax is exactly what we need but the politicians are are too weak to do what's right. There is not a "hybrid emissions standard" so I don't know what you are talking about. We should also praise our VA legislature for having the wisdom to give clean fuel plates to cars that have a dirty tier 2 bin 9 emissions rating. I'm also there are plenty of cars that can exceed the mileage of the Escape hybrid. Why should the Escape get an incentive? Any incentives should be technology blind. Meaning that the incentive should be solely based on emissions and mileage. Let the best technology be determined by the marketplace. |
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