hybrids get them off HOV

mdc: So you agree that the best plan is to eliminate ALL POVs from the express lanes since that does what you say ONLY BETTER?

Ok, IF we were serious about many of the concerns raised by our friend NoSUV, we'd consider instituting and abiding by some driver behavior modifications:

Lower speed to a 50-55 mph range. http://auto.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=question477.htm&url=http://tqjunior.thinkquest.org/4116/Trip_Planning/speed.htm has a chart which shows one table (other data supports the 50-55 mph range as most fuel efficient). Even hybrids, when not driven in this range, are not achieving optimum fuel efficiency, much less the "better fuel consumption" suggested that hybrids get. Other driving habits play into fuel efficiency as well as indicated here: http://auto.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=question477.htm&url=http://www.fueleconomy.gov/

All roads are "taxpayer-funded". Just determine for any option/alternative where you want the taxation to occur.

Motorcycles DO indeed contribute to HOV congestion as significantly as hybrids. Courteous drivers allow roughly the same space for motorcycles as they do for hybrid-sized vehicles.

Traffic mess is a combo of regular and express lanes--agreed. Promoting less vehicles and more passengers per vehicle is necessary to reduce congestion as well. HOV-X does that.

SOV hybrids DON'T reduce congestion, help the environment (unless on battery power which occurs in the regular lanes everyday!), and hybrids cost too much for the return on investment.



NoSb

SOV because you can, HOV because you care!

If you tell the same lie enough it does become the truth. (in your mind) Then you start believing evry lie you tell is true and probably convince people that it IS true.
Then the psycho-therapist has to erase your memory... and the voices come and go...and ...well you get the picture.

There's no point in refuting your nonsensical posts. Been there, done that. You haven't begun to answer the obvious flaws in your "solutions" that have been pointed out numerous times.

All I know is this guy was telling me this about hybrids:
Hybrid cars are good for the environment. They can reduce smog by 90 percent and they use far less gasoline than conventional cars.
Hybrid cars are economical. They can get up to 55 to 60 mpg in city driving, while a typical SUV might travel 15-20 miles per gallon, or use three times as much gas for the same distance!
Hybrids are better than all-electric cars because hybrid car batteries recharge as you drive so there is no need to plug in. Also, most electric cars cannot go faster than 50-60 mph, while hybrids can. Most electric cars need to be recharged every 50-100miles. .
His question was where can you go wrong with forty bucks and a hamper full of hybrids waiting to be saoped for us slugs?