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TROLL
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All I know is this guy was telling me this about hybrids:
Hybrid cars are good for the environment. They can reduce smog by 90 percent and they use far less gasoline than conventional cars. Hybrid cars are economical. They can get up to 55 to 60 mpg in city driving, while a typical SUV might travel 15-20 miles per gallon, or use three times as much gas for the same distance! Hybrids are better than all-electric cars because hybrid car batteries recharge as you drive so there is no need to plug in. Also, most electric cars cannot go faster than 50-60 mph, while hybrids can. Most electric cars need to be recharged every 50-100miles. . His question was where can you go wrong with forty bucks and a hamper full of hybrids waiting to be saoped for us slugs? |
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NoSUV
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quote: MDC: It appears that you now agree with my posts since you cannot refute them! Thanks!!! |
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MDC
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There's no point in refuting your nonsensical posts. Been there, done that. You haven't begun to answer the obvious flaws in your "solutions" that have been pointed out numerous times.
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N_or_S_bound
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It was Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's propogandist, who said, "Repeat a lie often enough, and it becomes the truth."
Some other quotes on truth that pertain to this discussion: The enemies of the truth are always awfully nice.--Christopher Morley As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand.--Josh Billings The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie--diliberate, contrived, and dishonest--but the myth--persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.--John Fitzgerald Kennedy The most dangerous of all falsehoods is a slightly distorted truth.--G. C. Lichtenberg No matter what you believe, it doesn't change the facts.--Al Kersha Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.--John Kenneth Galbraith and finally in honor of NoSUV: If we all worked on the assumption that what is accepted as true is really true, there would be little hope of advance.--Orville Wright NoSb SOV because you can, HOV because you care! |
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TROLL
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If you tell the same lie enough it does become the truth. (in your mind) Then you start believing evry lie you tell is true and probably convince people that it IS true.
Then the psycho-therapist has to erase your memory... and the voices come and go...and ...well you get the picture. |
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NoSUV
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And still MDC can't make an argument! I'm not surprised... Too bad Sponge isn't around anymore, he at least tried. MDC, raymond, it's nice to know that you can't have an intelligent response to simple facts. One last chance:
- No such thing as a "taxpayer-funded HOV lane program" in the DC region. - raymond's post indicates indicates anti-motorcycle getting an exemption, which makes sense because there is little difference between motorcycles and hybrids when it comes to exemptions. - The hybrid exemption was NOT designed to appease hybrid manufacturers, but an honest attempt by our enlightened legislature to improve the environment while promoting vehicles getting better fuel consumption - The traffic mess is a combination of regular and express lanes. Solutions need to be for more than just slugs - has to encompass everyone. |
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N_or_S_bound
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Ok, IF we were serious about many of the concerns raised by our friend NoSUV, we'd consider instituting and abiding by some driver behavior modifications:
Lower speed to a 50-55 mph range. http://auto.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=question477.htm&url=http://tqjunior.thinkquest.org/4116/Trip_Planning/speed.htm has a chart which shows one table (other data supports the 50-55 mph range as most fuel efficient). Even hybrids, when not driven in this range, are not achieving optimum fuel efficiency, much less the "better fuel consumption" suggested that hybrids get. Other driving habits play into fuel efficiency as well as indicated here: http://auto.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=question477.htm&url=http://www.fueleconomy.gov/ All roads are "taxpayer-funded". Just determine for any option/alternative where you want the taxation to occur. Motorcycles DO indeed contribute to HOV congestion as significantly as hybrids. Courteous drivers allow roughly the same space for motorcycles as they do for hybrid-sized vehicles. Traffic mess is a combo of regular and express lanes--agreed. Promoting less vehicles and more passengers per vehicle is necessary to reduce congestion as well. HOV-X does that. SOV hybrids DON'T reduce congestion, help the environment (unless on battery power which occurs in the regular lanes everyday!), and hybrids cost too much for the return on investment. NoSb SOV because you can, HOV because you care! |
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MDC
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NoSUV,
There is no "hybrid exemption" in Virginia. There is a clean special fuel exemption which cars running clean fuel, such as natural gas, are qualified. Gasoline powered vehicles, no matter how modified, are expressedly unqualified for this exemption. In fact, the first hybrid owners were not allowed to get "clean fuel" plates until they asked for an exemption to the regulation. This is how the clean special fuel regulation was written initially. Since you've been a big fan of "original intent", how about some consistency? The only way to improve traffic congestion in the main AND HOV lanes is to increase the number of people per vehicle. The "HOV-1" hybrids do nothing to reduce congestion. Instead, it forcibly reduces the number of people per vehicle on the road. |
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NoSUV
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mdc: So you agree that the best plan is to eliminate ALL POVs from the express lanes since that does what you say ONLY BETTER?
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N_or_S_bound
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Ok, sure. let's do that NoSUV. Let's eliminate all POVs from the express lanes. I'm for that!
The ones it will impact the most are the SOV hybrids since they only like to ride by themselves (slugs have already shown a propensity to sharing the ride albeit a monetarily "free" one) AND eliminating POVs from the express lanes WON'T help balance the congestion between the main and express lanes like YOU state you want to do (somewhat an internal conflict in your position) AND hybrid owners will be forever indebted to politicos who made the ignoble move to devalue their "altruistic" motives justifying their purchase. I wonder how the politicos would accept your "solution" once the HOV-participating community finally got engaged/interested in the future of their commute. Or, did I just uncover something here...are you an avid HOV supporter playing devil's advocate? Sounds like something I'd do...take the antagonist point of view to draw people into genuine thinking AND action...I love it! NoSb SOV because you can, HOV because you care! |
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