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    Posted: 06 Dec 2002 at 1:25pm
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Admin started a new thread on this topic in case y'all missed it. Now you don't have to take the extra step(s) to get to the fifth page of this thread... Have a great day everybody! [;)]
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[br]Does this analogy fit? Say that you're at a public store and the checkout line is long. Your spouse is the clerk and sees you at the back of the line. The store won't allow the clerk to call the spouse to the head of the line. All the clerk can do is shrug his/her shoulders.

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That analogy doesn't fit. Why? Because the clerk must eventually serve everyone. In a slug line, one doesn't have to give EVERYBODY a ride...just a couple. Trying to combine your example with the situation would be like saying that the clerk only has to ring up two people and go home, and chooses to ring up at least their spouse. See how that makes no sense?

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Does this analogy fit? Say that you're at a public store and the checkout line is long. Your spouse is the clerk and sees you at the back of the line. The store won't allow the clerk to call the spouse to the head of the line. All the clerk can do is shrug his/her shoulders.

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This issue was raised in great detail earlier this year by yours truly...so it's interesting that it has reared it's ugly head again. I've come to terms with Mirangus' opinion in that according to the "rules" it is "accepted" in that it is covered as being etiquette "compliant". However, I can't deny that I still see the long faces and hear the groans when it actually happens (but not me though -- I'm at peace with it, as I said).

The issue really lies in the gray area (as they often do) of frequency. I think that for the most part, people can accept the fact that friends picking up friends ONCE IN A WHILE is acceptable. However, we all have our routines, and what is more likely to happen is a slug "crew" is more likely to be at the same place at the same time day after day after day.
This creates a situation in which a driver is picking out specific riders on a DAILY basis. Is this acceptable? No it is not. When this happens, what should be done is that this group of people should be encouraged to start a carpool together, and I think that this does indeed happen in these circumstances without the need of encouragement by others.

Now let's get back to the ONCE IN A WHILE part because I'm sure some of those who have already contributed to this string (names will be omitted) will say that it is NOT acceptable at ANY time, EVER. Well, let's get real for a second. I've been slugging for some time myself, and I've made quite a few friends with the other regulars. If a rapport/friendship is developed, is it realistic to expect friends to not ride together?

What about co-workers -- if you saw a co-worker of yours down the line are you really going to tell me that you're going to simply pick up other people just because they're at the front of the line and give your co-worker nothing more than a consolatory wave as you drive away? If you say "yes, by God, in the name of all that is fair and true, YES...I would be that insensitive in order to maintain the spirit of fairness" then you need to get a GRIP!

Up the stakes even more...can you honestly say that you would take a pass on your husband or wife if you met up with them at the slugline, but shucky-darn they're twelve slugs back? If you think that you would still say "I would honestly do that" then you need to prepare the following statement for yourself: "Sorry honey! These strangers were here first...please don't make me sleep on the couch tonight!" Now I will admit that I don't think that it is very often that family members don't ride together and need to meet at the slug line, but I HAVE seen it, so it DOES happen.

My point is that if you're going to PRETEND that you are willing to act in fairness based upon your personal PRINCIPLES, then look at the examples above and ask yourself if you can truly maintain consistency in what you consider to be fair.

Now remember, I don't drive...I only ride...before you read the next part...

Taking a friend/co-worker/family member is PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE REGARDLESS OF PLACE IN LINE as it is a LOGICAL and RATIONAL choice. Taking one or two from the front of the line is a plus. That is a position that works in EVERY case, thus making it a true principle.

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I have personally seen many people get upset when people do this. It is not good etiquette. The person next in line should get the next ride and that is a basic rule of etiquette since grade school. I have turned down riding with friends of mine because it wasn't my turn in line.
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"Will Call—the driver’s option to pick a particular slug not at the front of the line. This situation usually happens when a driver sees a friend in line and simply calls for that individual."

The above is a direct "copy and paste" quotation from the etiquette section of this web page. According to 30 years of slugging by which (and this is just an assumption, but a pretty good one, I think) that section was based, the majority of slugs are in acceptance that every once in a while, someone sees someone they know. They then pick them up. It's really not that big of a deal. You will still need the same amount of people to ride the HOV, the line will decrease in people just the same. If someone in the front has to wait for the next ride, so be it. Nobody gets devestated, no one is heartbroken. You just shrug it off. The slug system works, and it works relatively smoothly. I don't hear too many stories of folks getting stranded, so we'll all get a ride to work/home.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I'm not denouncing anybody's. I'm just saying that perhaps there are better things to be upset over than someone being called out of line. Like the other day when somebody said they would take me to Crystal City and decided that he can't be late for his meeting at the Navy Annex and forced me to walk from there, in a skirt, in freezing temperatures. By the way he picked me up from the 17 lot in a green Jeep Grand Cherokee, so ladies, beware.
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If you see a friend in line and you decide to take them and NOT take someone at the front of the line, then you are breaking the rules of slug etiquette. Now if you see a friend and call them out of line AND take a person or two from the front of the line, then that is somewhat appropriate because you are still contributing to the slug system. There is no contradiction there.
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And you know what this subject is getting old,people can pickup who they want to pickup in their cars, you no why because it is just that THEIR CAR,I listen to some of people in the sluglines and you would think that you made the car notes, insurance and personal property taxes on these vehicles. STOP the nit picking and just RIDE!

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You contradict yourself. Isn't a friend or family member someone you know? Of course if you need two riders, you would take the friend and the person in the front.

You said it is not considered courteous to have someone cut in line but then it is ok to pull a friend out of the line? In your way of thinking, it would be rude to pull a friend too so....

Nina

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[br]The reason slugging works is because of the rules of etiquette and common courtesy. It has never been considered courteous to have someone cut in line. Haven't we been taught that since grade school? Now like tondalea said, if you see a friend in line and then still take someone from the front of the line that would be considered somewhat appropriate but to call out to someone in the back of the line just because you know them is not courteous.

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