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Hi Beckie,
What suggestions do you have for pushing higher efficiency/lower emission vehicles? Which hybrid or electric or fuel cell vehicle do you have or plan to buy?
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I'm not against Hybrid drivers if they use the car to carpool with three in the car. What I don't like to see is when a Hybrid driver drives alone. When I slug I count the number of Hybrids in the HOV lane and one morning (like most) I counted 15 single Hybrid drivers in a 45 minute commute to the Pentagon. In a situation like this - if these drivers would have sluged with each other or others so there was three in a car that would have elimitated 10 cars off of the road. And by elimitating cars from the HOV lanes the HOV lane moves faster. As they did before Hybrids.
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Sorry for the 3 postings (if anybody actually reads this).

It kept telling me it did't work.

Oh well.
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Looking at the big picture, all possible options to move trafic, reduce congestion (on the road and parking) and cut emmisions should be welcomed. I take the train, bike and bus but usually slug 3-4 days per week. Having used every option that I'm aware of, slugging is by far the most efficient. There are times, however, that I must move to and from work outside of the HOV times (another issue). It's those times that the other mentioned options as well as my motorcycle and hybrid are a life saver.

As humans, I think we need incentives to introduce and grow improvements (i.e. hybrids and motorcycles and HOV lanes themselves). Without the incentives, who would really pay that much more for a car - who would bother to stop and pick up strangers?

Bikes do use much less fuel (50mpg+), put out less emmisions and take much less parking space. Hybrids do use less fuel (30mpg and 38mpg in stop and go, yes, I keep track - for a family SUV, that's great) and this is just the beginning of what we can achieve, but only if there are buying dollars to push it. Incentives. Improvement.

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Looking at the big picture, all possible options to move trafic, reduce congestion (on the road and parking) and cut emmisions should be welcomed. I take the train, bike and bus but usually slug 3-4 days per week. Having used every option that I'm aware of, slugging is by far the most efficient. There are times, however, that I must move to and from work outside of the HOV times (another issue). It's those times that the other mentioned options as well as my motorcycle and hybrid are a life saver.

As humans, I think we need incentives to introduce and grow improvements (i.e. hybrids and motorcycles and HOV lanes themselves). Without the incentives, who would really pay that much more for a car - who would bother to stop and pick up strangers?

Bikes do use much less fuel (50mpg+), put out less emmisions and take much less parking space. Hybrids do use less fuel (30mpg and 38mpg in stop and go, yes, I keep track - for a family SUV, that's great) and this is just the beginning of what we can achieve, but only if there are buying dollars to push it. Incentives. Improvement.

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Looking at the big picture, all possible options to move trafic, reduce congestion (on the road and parking) and cut emmisions should be welcomed. I take the train, bike and bus but usually slug 3-4 days per week. Having used every option that I'm aware of, slugging is by far the most efficient. There are times, however, that I must move to and from work outside of the HOV times (another issue). It's those times that the other mentioned options as well as my motorcycle and hybrid are a life saver.

As humans, I think we need incentives to introduce and grow improvements (i.e. hybrids and motorcycles and HOV lanes themselves). Without the incentives, who would really pay that much more for a car - who would bother to stop and pick up strangers?

Bikes do use much less fuel (50mpg+), put out less emmisions and take much less parking space. Hybrids do use less fuel (30mpg and 38mpg in stop and go, yes, I keep track - for a family SUV, that's great) and this is just the beginning of what we can achieve, but only if there are buying dollars to push it. Incentives. Improvement.

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James, let's compare.

My Pickup - 6600 lbs, 22 feet long, 7.5 feet wide, 19 MPG.
My Bike - 785 lbs, 8 feet long, 2.5 feet wide, 60 MPG.

I'd say my bike has a smaller footprint, and is more efficient (even if you consider the effective MPG of my truck with 3 people in it).

Also, at least on military bases, (Pentagon included), it is illegal to park a motorcycle in a single parking space when motorcycle parking is available. Even though north parking is more convenient for me, I technically have to park the bike on the south side, in the designated motorcycle parking.

Safety may have been a factor as well in granting the exemption. Possibly the fact that most bikes were air-cooled at the time the exemption was granted may have played into the equation.


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[br]James - Seems like most of the reasons for motorcycle exemption apply to hybrid exemption.



No, not most, but half of what I mentioned. They are fuel efficient and low emission. However, after they have gotten one commuter to work, they still take up a whole parking space (where six+ motorcycles could park) and they weigh as much as other small cars - so there's the same wear on the roadways.
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James - Seems like most of the reasons for motorcycle exemption apply to hybrid exemption.
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Originally posted by sluDgE
[br][?] Anyone know for sure what the rationale is for allowing motorcycles an HOV exemption? [?]
[B)] If it is to provide the mo'bikes a less-congested, safer environment over the regular lanes, does that rationale apply anymore with the increase congestion on HOV? [B)]

Just wonderin'.

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The rationale for allowing motorcycles in the HOV lanes is fuel efficiency, low emmissions, reduced parking congestion in the metropolitan areas served by the HOV lanes, and less wear & tear on the roadways.

I commute by slugging, picking up slugs, VRE, PRTC, and motorcycle. I only ride the motorcycle one or two days a week at most. It is a convenient alternative, but I would gladly give it up in trade for pure HOV3 (no SOVs, law enforcement, etc. at all).
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