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SuzAnne 
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 Posted: 18 Aug 2005 at 8:14am |
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Sponge;
You have proof. SR-91 in CA. |
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SpongeBob
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Posted: 17 Aug 2005 at 4:23pm |
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The central issue about HOT is whether HOV will remain free. Reduced fare is not enough, it has to be as it is now: free.
Both Fluor and Clark have proposed for I95/395 a multi-access, automated, full-speed tolling system that will connect to a larger region-wide HOT network. The HOT lanes would run from Massaponax to Fairfax to Reston to Manassas to Dulles, etc and so on. Fluor signed a contract just a few months ago to build HOT lanes on the Beltway, the first step in the regional plan. As far as I can learn, no toll road system of similar size or complexity has ever been done before. Not in the US, not in Australia, not anywhere. But I think Fluor and Clark could do it; they could build the world's most advanced toll road network, and make it work. What they can't do, and their silence on the issue is proof, is let HOV ride for free on the system. Want some proof? Well, look for the next Sponge-sermon. |
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mroyal
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Posted: 16 Aug 2005 at 4:20pm |
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I am willing to send electronic and postal mail to my representatives, but I get quite bored at hearings (sorry).
From my experience and conversations with staffers, I believe e-mail is largely ignored (it's more of a poll). If you really want to communicate, send postal mail and on the front print "Urgent and Confidential" Kindest Regards, mroyal |
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goober
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Posted: 16 Aug 2005 at 3:00pm |
quote: Does this mean that you won't join in the battle? Goober |
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AveMaria
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Posted: 16 Aug 2005 at 10:55am |
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Oh, and I do plan to be at the meeting on 21 Sep b/c this directly effects my lifestyle.
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AveMaria
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Posted: 16 Aug 2005 at 10:52am |
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HOT is a reality!
I had my head sawed off on an earlier post when I suggested that if the proposal calls for constructing three lanes -- dedicate two lanes to HOT and one lane to HOV with some type of 3'(barrier) structure which separates the two lanes. HOV lanes having only left lane entrance/exits and HOT having only RIGHT lane entrance/exits. If someone gets sarcastic with me, I swear on my dead dog's grave I will, I will...[:(!] |
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mroyal
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Posted: 16 Aug 2005 at 9:44am |
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Yea,
I'm not arguing in support of HOT. I don't see anything positive in it for the current HOVers. I just took the sponge challenge to provide a way to enforce (sortof) HOV and SOV in the same lanes. Good luck in your battles. I hope you win the war. Kindest Regards, mroyal |
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goober
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Posted: 15 Aug 2005 at 4:06pm |
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mroyal, I think that making separate HOT and HOV entrance lanes will definitely make it possible to not charge HOVs, that is, you don't necessarily need high-tech means to make that distinction (don't give those contractors that idea). However, I can see them eventually start charging the "free loading" HOVs because they don't generate revenue. They can charge a reduced toll for HOVs but it still ruins the whole slugging system. So, in the end, they win unless HOT is STOPPPED NOW. See you at the:
September 21, 2005 Ferlazzo Auditorium Prince William County 15941 Donald Curtis Drive Woodbridge, VA. 22193 NOTE: The September 21 meeting is planned for public comments. (copied from shirons HOT Lanes Discussion) Goober |
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koakui
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Posted: 15 Aug 2005 at 4:01pm |
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I can't imagine that hov 3 will be free for the reason RLD states. Its too hard to mandate. What I've read said they will "try" to keep hov free but no guarantees.
I lived in SoCal for some years and the 91 is always packed at rush hour. Sometimes worse than the regular lanes. In addition, its way too expensive and you have to pay all the time. Sometimes I would get on there thinking I would save some time and just pay the toll and unfortunately they wouldn't be moving any better than the regular lanes. So I wasted my money and got to sit in traffic. I ended up just taking my chances everyday and/or riding sharing w/ a coworker in the HOV - but again - it wasn't much better. I'm hoping by the time HOT comes, I can figure out something for my commute as I fear the worst. |
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mroyal
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Posted: 15 Aug 2005 at 3:11pm |
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Bump
Just wanted to see if SpongeBob noticed my suggested technical solution. Kindest Regards, mroyal |
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