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minerdhov
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Ok so another day and seems more people that I've talked to and have seen posted here want ONE LINE just reversed and you still hand out flyers this morning with YOUR IDEAS of how it should work, blah blah blah. Most of the posts on here have said one line. You say the people you've talked to personally have said two lines. I guess we have to take you at your word. Now you hand out maps this morning and its going to be two lines your way. Like someone said above, I will get to work regardless, but you asked for opinions, suggestions, etc. but continue to see it "YOUR WAY". Unbelievable.
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RKx2
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I got it.
Makes sense. Thanks for clearing this up. Lets try it. |
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N_or_S_bound
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Wade,
I appreciate the fact you've stepped up to correct at least one fault with the line in the Mine Road lot. Leaders take heat and you've done that with aplomb. I applaud you in both stepping forward and the manner with which you've handled disagreements. I look forward to the slight decrease in irritation of a malfunctioning slug line. I don't have an opinion on the 2 line concept since I'm not into queue theory and don't go to DC (if I can avoid it). Keep on truckin'! We'll see how the chips fall. NoSb SOV because you can, HOV because you care! |
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AF Engineer
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Commuter13: Thanks, although I certainly don't agree with you that everyone who thinks this is a good idea is either ambivalent or confused....
RKx2: Good points, when you see a map it will help. Think of how the Pentagon pickup line is for the Stafford lines....3 (4?) lines, all facing the same direction on the same median, with cars entering from the rear and leaving from the front. It works. Same concept we're proposing at Mine Road, except that there is a LOT more room and fewer lines. There will probably be at least 20 yards seperation between the back of the northern line, and the front of the southern line. Lines won't "meet in the middle", cars will still enter/leave from same direction (i.e. no crossflow). I plan on handing out maps tomorrow that shows the details. You are correct, not really another good place in the Mine Road lot to start a seperate line....we only have 1 very long median which can easily accomodate both lines. I'm thinking the D.C. line should be on the south end, and the VA line on the north end (please see previous thread)....thoughts? I think we have 100% concurrence that the line direction should be changed, and the plan is to start that on Monday. I think we should also try to the 2-line concept....it will improve things even more. We may still be in disagreement, but I appreciate your constructive input. Thanks! Wade |
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RKx2
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Good idea, once again.
Wade, One of the ealier posts asked a valid question about how this would work with one line at one end and one line at the other. Made a good point too. Does this mean that both lines would meet somewhere in the middle? I would like that answered. Because the way I, and most of the folks that you asked to contribute here, see it, the geographics of this lot was not set up to support 2 lines. There is only 1 isle. The outer edge is to narrow to escape traffic, unlike the old lot that has a lager area that people can rally at or cars can use to avoid pedestrian traffic. If an alternative site is what you are proposing, this lot is architected in such a way that it would create an unsafe environment for those that have to go else where. One line on one side and one line on the other makes sense to me, but then, you have pointed out, that we would hinder other operations in the area. I can't get a hold of what you mean by dividing direction on the isle. That makes no sense to me. Do you mean that Washington riders get picked up in one direction and that VA riders get picked up in aother? That makes sense to the riders, but what of the drivers? Are you proposing, for example, that a rider going to VA sends the driver around the ilse on more time to accomidate a rider going to DC until the drivers get used to it? If I were a driver, and I am frequently, I would keep driving and pick up in the old lot or in Dale City. The drivers would leave for one line or the other. And I would not blame them. You wanted constructive observations? Here they are. I still say, change the direction of the line. It will work, If not, address it again. You didn't mind bringing it up this time, one more time won't hurt things. |
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Commuter13
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I know you really want this change and you can sell it to just about anyone that either does not care or does not understand, which probably accounts for almost every one.
Personally, I will get to work regardless, but analytically, you are incorrect. I cannot state it any other way. No matter how you frame the idea, decreasing the mix of options is not more efficient. The answer is to be more efficient in the management of one line. I suggest you do some research into Queuing Theory. |
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AF Engineer
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Wow, please read my post above again, I think you've missed something. I'm not unilaterally deciding for the entire lot...I threw 2 ideas out there and spent a lot of personal time getting input and suggestions...and the majority of people who cared to respond thought both proposals were good. We're not going to make 100% of the folks happy, but seems if most of the respondees are for it, why not go for it?
I'm certainly no authority figure, but based on the feedback I've seen both here in the forums and in person, I say we try the 2-line way. If it's a flop (which I seriously doubt), we go back to 1 line... I sure can't take credit for these ideas (though I think they're both good). I've been hearing people talk about them for months now. Thanks! Wade |
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DREWC1966
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I like the idea. It feels strange waiting to go to DC while everyone behind you passes you up while going to the P-Gon. Great initiative. It can work.
ANDREW COOK JR |
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minerdhov
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So it sounds like you've made up your mind for the entire lot that it should be 'your' way? I say try the one line (reversed) change and see how it goes...If it works or doesn't work then approach the 'two line' option.
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AF Engineer
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Thanks again for the input. While it's true the "nays" outnumber the "yeahs" by a margin of 3 to 2 on the two forums here for splitting into 2 lines, most of the personal feedback I've gotten for both slug line changes has been positive. I stood in the slug line Tuesday a.m. for about 1.5 hours and announced these 2 proposals to probably around 150 folks. I had 2 people give me negative feedback (1 said line direction was fine, 1 said we can't interfere with bus lane). I had probably a dozen or so verbally say things like "good ideas" or "about time", and lots of folks nodding their heads (perhaps I put them to sleep?). I talked to my fellow riders/drivers the last 2 mornings and they thought both proposals were good. I just wanted to let you know the feedback I'm getting, and that's all I have to go on at this point.
Converting to 2 lines may be rough for the first day or two as drivers/sluggers get used to it, but grumbling about any change (even if it's beneficial) is human nature...even when it's something as simple as this is. I don't think it's been shown that having 2 lines is inconvenient for drivers/sluggers or that it will make things worse (I didn't see a specific response to my last post on that issue, it would be great to get feedback on putting a D.C. lot on south end of median). I think I've answered every argument intelligently (???), and been objective enough to change course when the facts presented themselvs (i.e. scrapping idea of using part of the Bus Pool Lane for slugging). I'm still open to ideas/input, including how to make the transition go smooth. Thanks again for your thoughts! Wade |
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