Kilgore or Kaine?

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	[br]If HOT lanes go into action on 95 and 395 where will the HOT lanes be put? Are we just adding another layer to the problem, by not creating more roads? If you look at the traffic right now, with HOV and Hybrids in the HOV lanes, you can clearly see that we have congestion.  I have seen as many as 15 hybrids in the HOV with single drivers during my ride to the Pentagon.  If those 15 hybrid drives would ride together (3 in each car) it would elimate 5 cars, therefore helping to ease traffic.  Now, if we allow the HOV lanes to be used as HOT lanes too, wouldn't that even cause more congestion? The lanes being used on the Dulles Toll Road, doesn't have the traffic that the HOV lanes on 95 and 395 have, so it probally does work to allow HOT lane use. Plus, remember that HOT lanes in Calfornia work because of back roads and side roads that help ease congestion, something we don't have going up and down 95 and 395.  I believe that HOV should be carpooling only.  The lanes were created to benefit those who ride share in order to ease the congestion on the regular lanes and conserve engery.  With the current gas prices and oil issues, more people would benefit in the HOV by carpooling, slugging, and using mass transit. So I'm against the HOT lane unless Virginia builds additional lanes labeled as HOT lanes and not include them with the HOV lanes!

	
	Becky, Have you noticed the speed of the regular lanes compared to the express lanes during HOV hours? Yes, they are moving SLOWER. Do you know why they move slower? I'll give you a hint - it's not because the hybrid SOVs are in there. You can be sure that at least some of the SOV hybrid drivers fall into the same category as the drivers currently in the regular lanes - that means that ending the hybrid exemption only makes matters worse for the majority of commuters. Ending the hybrid exemption only accelerates the need for HOT to balance the congestion between regular and express lanes during HOV hours. By the way, the lanes were created for buses, not autos - extension of your arguement would go back to that pre-1974 condition.

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NoSUV Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote NoSUV Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Oct 2005 at 3:32pm
	quote: Originally posted by Beckie5 [br]If HOT lanes go into action on 95 and 395 where will the HOT lanes be put? Are we just adding another layer to the problem, by not creating more roads? If you look at the traffic right now, with HOV and Hybrids in the HOV lanes, you can clearly see that we have congestion. I have seen as many as 15 hybrids in the HOV with single drivers during my ride to the Pentagon. If those 15 hybrid drives would ride together (3 in each car) it would elimate 5 cars, therefore helping to ease traffic. Now, if we allow the HOV lanes to be used as HOT lanes too, wouldn't that even cause more congestion? The lanes being used on the Dulles Toll Road, doesn't have the traffic that the HOV lanes on 95 and 395 have, so it probally does work to allow HOT lane use. Plus, remember that HOT lanes in Calfornia work because of back roads and side roads that help ease congestion, something we don't have going up and down 95 and 395. I believe that HOV should be carpooling only. The lanes were created to benefit those who ride share in order to ease the congestion on the regular lanes and conserve engery. With the current gas prices and oil issues, more people would benefit in the HOV by carpooling, slugging, and using mass transit. So I'm against the HOT lane unless Virginia builds additional lanes labeled as HOT lanes and not include them with the HOV lanes! Becky, Have you noticed the speed of the regular lanes compared to the express lanes during HOV hours? Yes, they are moving SLOWER. Do you know why they move slower? I'll give you a hint - it's not because the hybrid SOVs are in there. You can be sure that at least some of the SOV hybrid drivers fall into the same category as the drivers currently in the regular lanes - that means that ending the hybrid exemption only makes matters worse for the majority of commuters. Ending the hybrid exemption only accelerates the need for HOT to balance the congestion between regular and express lanes during HOV hours. By the way, the lanes were created for buses, not autos - extension of your arguement would go back to that pre-1974 condition.

HOV3Slug Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 14 Oct 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote HOV3Slug Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Oct 2005 at 3:43pm
	NoSUV, Thanks for answering my initial morbid inquiry of you. FYI � Congressman Tom Davis at a HOA meeting this year said he would seek to not renew the exemption for non-HOV3 hybrids. Maybe we�ll ride together one day. I'll even tip you.

koakui Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 19 Jun 2003 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote koakui Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Oct 2005 at 4:07pm
	Well this sucks. I had a rep call me at home for Kaine and he said to me, no Kaine does not support HOT. I can see from the link this is not true. If a demo supports HOT you know the republican is. I guess we go w/ the lesser of 2 evils. These are politicians for you.

Beckie5 Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 07 Jan 2005 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Beckie5 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Oct 2005 at 4:22pm
	No SUV's: I bet your a hybrid owner. I have been coummuting from Stafford to the Pentagon for 19 years, I seen it worse and better. Lately, it's not better but not as bad as in late 80's and early 90's! If hybrid owners want to help the enviroment, that's great - pick up two more riders and make it even better for the enviroment. And yes I do see the regular lanes and the HOV lanes do move most of the time faster. I've also seen it when the HOV restrictions are lifed and at 6:00 pm too. Have you noticed the congestion? Well if HOT lanes go in effect "Congestion and Grid Lock" will be the game!

N_or_S_bound Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 20 May 2005 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote N_or_S_bound Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Oct 2005 at 4:29pm
	quote: Originally posted by NoSUV...- that means that ending the hybrid exemption only makes matters worse for the majority of commuters. ... I wonder just what the number of commuters in the main line is compared to the HOV lanes? Is the majority [of commuters] in the HOV or the mainline? I suspect the majority [of vehicles] is in the mainline--that is deduced by looking to the right as NoSUV suggests. And in anticipation of a comment about buses, yes, buses only could accommodate even more commuters in fewer vehicles. To repeat for those who missed it the first couple times: HOT is a reality as politicos support whatever financial stream flows the heaviest. Hybrid exemption is safe as politicos support whatever financial stream flows the heaviest. Can't believe what they tell you. They'll say about anything to get themselves elected (even if they genuinely believe it at the time they say it) and then make the case for "extenuating circumstances" when crunch time comes--no matter what issue you put forward. NoSb SOV because you can, HOV because you care!

BillyBackSeat Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 19 Aug 2005 Location: Red State Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote BillyBackSeat Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Oct 2005 at 8:50pm
	Kaine supports taxes for more welfare for liberal transgendered sodomite atheist America haters who want to have an abortion. Because Kaine is HOT for that kind of person. Ask Zell Miller. He resigned from you retards. Hug a slug today

BillyBackSeat Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 19 Aug 2005 Location: Red State Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote BillyBackSeat Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Oct 2005 at 8:51pm
	quote: Originally posted by Baz [br]Just because your profile name describes how your mama conceived you - I wont judge your comment as anything but an inexcusable failure to exercise intelligence or sound judgment Your wife likes me. Hug a slug today

SpongeBob Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 06 Oct 2004 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote SpongeBob Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 Oct 2005 at 9:20am
	Great debate, folks. Well-informed, substantial, and really, really grown-up. Thanks.

VA4ver Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 09 Feb 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote VA4ver Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 Oct 2005 at 4:27pm
	Thought we weren't supposed to talk politics/religion, etc.? There's two sides to every coin.

HOV3Slug Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 14 Oct 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote HOV3Slug Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 Oct 2005 at 7:05pm
	You don�t talk politics or religion in the carpool. As to this Message Board since there�s an election on 11/08 we need to talk politics to see who�s the best choice and religion to make sure God hears our prayers that we chose the right one.[8D]