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Many cities in America us ethanol to reduce emissions already. That is mandated at the city govt level to reduce the pollution/smog. Get informed here.

Now, this next part is the challenging one to read (I don't know where to come down on it yet either). Oil companies are buying up ethanol and driving up prices. The public claim in the media is that they are using it to replace a potentially carcinogenic additive currently in oil-based gasoline (MTBH?).

Ethanol in the midwest recently was priced higher than gasoline. They do have the greatest concentration of E85 vehicles in the midwest than any other location in America. It's a distribution challenge. Who owns the distribution channels? E85 vehicles can burn gasoline as easily as 85% ethanol-based fuel.

Brazil has the eighth largest economy of the world. Like any semi-industrialized nation,
there are great differences in income between the rich and poor social classes and different
states/provinces.

Brazil has by far the largest area, population, and economy of South America. It is larger
than the Lower 48 States of the U.S.; its population (160 Million) is approximately 40 percent of
South America’s, and it uses 36 percent of the continent’s oil consumption.

Brazil makes their ethanol from sugar cane.

Ok, you could buy Beta or you could buy VHS years ago. Which endured? Early adopters are often left hanging with an inferior product which is more successfully marketed. For those who don't know, Beta was better quality than VHS. VHS was marketed better...or Beta wasn't as effectively marketed. Either way, for the time period when they were both avail (prior to DVDs...another discussion altogether), Beta was superior, but couldn't market.

Toyota, Ford and Honda are marketing companies. Hybrids will last although their effective contribution to all forms of environmental conscientiousness is a whole lot less than some will allow themselves to believe---even when faced with the truth.

Hybrids will endure. The marketing and PAC funds are flowing freely. One can assimilate and go "lemming-like" off the cliff. Or take an active stance and proactive action towards adopting more lasting EF technologies like ethanol on the way to hydrogen.

Oh, E85 is also available at Quantico and yes, you need a mil id card to buy it there too. Remember the question: who owns the distribution system?

NoSb

SOV because you can, HOV because you care!

Seems as though the process needs to change. Once upon a time, cars ran on regular gas. Then unleaded came along. It was more expensive, so many used regular instead of unleaded. In response, both the gas tanks and the fuel nozzles were modified to be a different and smaller size.

Why aren't people, like mdc and wagonman, working toward a similar modification with automakers and legislators - and telling us how we can help? Could be something as simple as square nozzles and tank holes. That would solve the possibility of people claiming CF while using gas - and allow CF plates to be issued to qualifying vehicles.

Unless those people would rather just complain...

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So, you don't practice what you preach? I'm surprised.

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What do I preach? That hybrids shouldn't be SOV in HOV because they aren't clean? How, may I ask, can I practice that? Buy a hybrid and then don't drive it in HOV? Sorry, I'm not going to be buying a hybrid any time soon. I DO use an alternative fuel and I am a frequent bus and metro rider.
I'm creating far less pollution than you are and using far less petroleum. What are you doing again? Driving a car that's dirtier than a lot of other vehicles and not making up for it by picking up riders? I really don't think you should be pointing fingers at anyone.

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Can you tell us why YOU don't qualify for CF plates?

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So, you don't practice what you preach? I'm surprised.

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What do I preach? That hybrids shouldn't be SOV in HOV because they aren't clean? How, may I ask, can I practice that? Buy a hybrid and then don't drive it in HOV? Sorry, I'm not going to be buying a hybrid any time soon. I DO use an alternative fuel and I am a frequent bus and metro rider.
I'm creating far less pollution than you are and using far less petroleum. What are you doing again? Driving a car that's dirtier than a lot of other vehicles and not making up for it by picking up riders? I really don't think you should be pointing fingers at anyone.

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[br]wagonman, I missed it with all of the data you provided - how many CF vehicles did you say you had? 1 of 2, 3 of 3?

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Do you mean actually clean or fake clean with CF plates? I'm not the one driving around with clean fuel plates, you are.