Hybrid Owners You took Over HOV now out web site?

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   BEEP!  Wrong answer.  You need to take a look at "like" cars.  Not just a "oh let's pick 25mpg"

	So, let's use a REAL scenario.

	2008 Toyota Prius with VSC  $23,710 MSRP, 46 combined mpg.  2008 Toyota Corolla with VSC, $17,360 MSRP, 31 combined mpg.

	Gas @ $3.00 a gallon.

	Let's assume on the high side for yearly mileage (which helps you).  Person drives 15,000 miles a year.  $1451.61 in gas for the Corolla, $978.26 for the Prius.

	Price difference between the two cars, $6350.00.  Difference in yearly gas charges, $473.35.  Time to "break even" 13.42 years.

	But hey, even if we use your 25mpg number, the "break even" point is still 7.73 years.

	Damn!  Sign me up for a hybrid!

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scottt Members Profile Find Members Posts Senior Slug Joined: 12 May 2004 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 106	Post Options Post Reply Quote scottt Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Feb 2008 at 9:16am
	BEEP! Wrong answer. You need to take a look at "like" cars. Not just a "oh let's pick 25mpg" So, let's use a REAL scenario. 2008 Toyota Prius with VSC $23,710 MSRP, 46 combined mpg. 2008 Toyota Corolla with VSC, $17,360 MSRP, 31 combined mpg. Gas @ $3.00 a gallon. Let's assume on the high side for yearly mileage (which helps you). Person drives 15,000 miles a year. $1451.61 in gas for the Corolla, $978.26 for the Prius. Price difference between the two cars, $6350.00. Difference in yearly gas charges, $473.35. Time to "break even" 13.42 years. But hey, even if we use your 25mpg number, the "break even" point is still 7.73 years. Damn! Sign me up for a hybrid!

CatHerder Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 06 Oct 2006 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote CatHerder Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Feb 2008 at 9:37am
	And how does this argument matter? The HOV is becoming HOT so who cares if hybrids stay or go? In the end, either the hybrids will be picking up 3 or paying tolls. In the end, the only thing carpools will be good for is to avoid paying tolls. There will be no time savings, just money savings (as long as carpools remain free that is). NoSUVs' love affair with his hybrid is his own affair -- and totally unrealistic in the matter of actual gas usage and overall benefit to the environment -- given the extra batteries and such. Also, the cost of tuning up a hybrid is a lot more. They use synthetic gas. Also, their tires are low tread so if you value your life you need to purchase new tires, thus reducing your gas mileage further and costing you significant change. Things that people don't realize when they purchase a hybrid. Rail is the only way to survive the population growth -- Europe, Japan uses rail, why can't the US?

NoSUV Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote NoSUV Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 Feb 2008 at 8:31am
	quote: Originally posted by scottt [br]BEEP! Wrong answer. You need to take a look at "like" cars. Not just a "oh let's pick 25mpg" So, let's use a REAL scenario. 2008 Toyota Prius with VSC $23,710 MSRP, 46 combined mpg. 2008 Toyota Corolla with VSC, $17,360 MSRP, 31 combined mpg. Gas @ $3.00 a gallon. Let's assume on the high side for yearly mileage (which helps you). Person drives 15,000 miles a year. $1451.61 in gas for the Corolla, $978.26 for the Prius. Price difference between the two cars, $6350.00. Difference in yearly gas charges, $473.35. Time to "break even" 13.42 years. But hey, even if we use your 25mpg number, the "break even" point is still 7.73 years. Damn! Sign me up for a hybrid! scottt, Exactly. You, more than anyone else, have proved my point. We MUST have a non-taxpayer incentive to encourage consumers to purchase the technology to make the environment better. After all, 1/3 of greenhouse emisssions comes from transportation, and hybrids produce less than 20% of those "like" cars. London is already considering changing from a straight toll charge to enter their city to an emissions based toll. It makes FAR more sense to charge carpools to use express lanes than vehicles which are far better for the environment - which means the air YOU breathe, too. Seems simple - link FastTrac to VIN. At semi-annual emissions tests, automatically link emissions to VIN. Toll based on emissions. The WHOLE WORLD wins. Even if scottt now has to buy a hybrid.

Pushback Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 28 Mar 2008 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pushback Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 Mar 2008 at 11:11am
	Hey NoSuv every time I check this site you are running your mouth about your little man car. Why don't you ID yourself to so we know what a jerk looks like.[}:)]

Luddite Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Luddite Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 Apr 2008 at 8:45am
	Catherder, Exempting HOV3 from HOT is only temporary. This is a myth perpetuated by Fluor to keep folks from going apoplectic. Anyone who bothered to read the proposals would be able to make this inference. Two years ago, your part-time, on-the-take, state legislators refused to expmpt HOV3 from HOT. HOV is finished-killed by hybrid lobbyists and public/private partnerships.

Sami Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 01 May 2008 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Sami Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 May 2008 at 10:24am
	I cant stand those hybrid drivers. They are selfish and drive at the speed of turtle. I think they should ban hybrid drivers from the lanes. They are selfish and slow. Sami Commuter of the People

n/a Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 17 Dec 2001 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote n/a Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 21 May 2008 at 3:46pm
	quote: Originally posted by Sami I cant stand those hybrid drivers. They are selfish and drive at the speed of turtle. I think they should ban hybrid drivers from the lanes. They are selfish and slow. Sami Commuter of the People Welcome to the debate "Sami Commuter of the People." This is a wonderfully intellectual contribution, and quite timely too. Recommend next time that you read some of the back discussions for insights to the topic; it will help to prepare you for the forum. Fight the good fight, SCOTP! And remember, "Never trust anyone over thirty!"

n/a Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 17 Dec 2001 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote n/a Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 21 May 2008 at 3:49pm
	quote: Originally posted by Luddite Catherder, Exempting HOV3 from HOT is only temporary. This is a myth perpetuated by Fluor to keep folks from going apoplectic. Anyone who bothered to read the proposals would be able to make this inference. Two years ago, your part-time, on-the-take, state legislators refused to expmpt HOV3 from HOT. HOV is finished-killed by hybrid lobbyists and public/private partnerships. Now Luddite, that's an impressive string of synical statements, albiet true! So what are we going to do about it?!

Luddite Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Luddite Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 May 2008 at 4:51pm
	Nothing anyone can do now except find a way to make some money on the deal. Invest in Fluor or one of the other publicly traded construction companies taking their piece of the $650 million pie. When I was young and idealistic I thought at least some of my elected officials did the bidding of the people. The reality is that taking the oath makes one's moral compass disappear.

winglover1 Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 27 May 2008 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote winglover1 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 May 2008 at 8:44pm
	If I owned a Hybrid, I would still pick up Slugs. It just makes sense. But if I can't find a rider to go home with, then I an still get the benefit of the HOV. Sweet! Only problem is I don't want another $350 a month car payment... Damn! AKA Mr. Bill Oh Nooo!!!