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NoSUV,
Are you a federal employee? You seem to think it's ok to spend the extra bucks to buy a new tool (car), when the existing one most people have can do the job, with less outlay. If it's all about the environment, then your gas burning hybrid is still polluting.
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TWO,

How many vehicles are on the road that are 2001 models or newer? If every one of those vehicles were hybrids:
- air pollution would be reduced by 33% more than if a conventional vehicle had been purchased
- fuel consumption, although not zero, would have been reduced by about 50% over conventional

When looking at the environment, instead of looking at absolutes, you might want to look at what is BETTER. This discussion has been on this board since 2004, and for over 4 years posters, like you, have used false assumptions and then tried to justify them. IF ONLY you had purchased a hybrid then, not only would you be better off financially, but you would have helped the environment for those years, and you'd be alleviating the demand side of the gas problem.

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IF ONLY you had purchased a hybrid then, not only would you be better off financially, but you would have helped the environment for those years, and you'd be alleviating the demand side of the gas problem.
IF ONLY...


You don't know what kind of vehicle I own, or commute in. Are you assuming that it's a gas guzzling CAR? I don't think so. [;)]
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Are you required to get your car tested for emissions every other year? Can you state for a fact that your vehicle is less polluting than a hybrid AS WELL AS getting identical or better mileage than a hybrid?
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Overall your hybrid does a comparable, if not a bigger damage on the environment than a comparable car. Yes, it may be marginally more efficient than say Chevy Aveo of Ford Focus (esp. on paper [:D]), but where do you think all the lead and acid and other stuff for the batteries is coming from and goes to?
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mdog,

Asked and answered previously. Your assertations are completely baseless. There have been several postings about the 100% recycling programs from more than one web source.

How do you define marginally? The emissions are 5x less.
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NoSUV, Are you saying that a Prius' emissions at highway speeds are five times less than a new Chevy Aveo or new Ford Focus also at highway speeds? That's amazing. Please show us the comparison facts between those three vehicles and your source for that info.

The info I remember (from some news article that mentioned "5 times") compared a Prius to a big SUV (like a Tahoe or Expedition).
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sluDgE, according to NoSUV, hybrids produce completely different type of emissions. Those that are known to heal cancer and bring peace on Earth. Continiously. [:p]

From http://www.hybridcars.com/gas-mileage-factors/aggressive-driving-and-gas-mileage.html:

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The most dramatic comparison in the multi-vehicle DOE study was analyzing the differences between the Toyota Prius—the quintessential hybrid—and the Jaguar XJ8, a high-performance vehicle. To establish a baseline for efficiency, the DOE researchers searched for the speed at which each vehicle was the most efficient. They used a treadmill-like device called dynamometer to run the vehicles at a constant speed for 30 continuous minutes. The most efficient speed for the Toyota Prius was 20 mph, and its least efficient level was 70 mph.


It's obvious hybrids shine - and belong!- in cities and stop-n-go traffic. They have no place on HOV.

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Originally posted by sluDgE

NoSUV, Are you saying that a Prius' emissions at highway speeds are five times less than a new Chevy Aveo or new Ford Focus also at highway speeds? That's amazing. Please show us the comparison facts between those three vehicles and your source for that info.

The info I remember (from some news article that mentioned "5 times") compared a Prius to a big SUV (like a Tahoe or Expedition).



The newspaper article compared a Prius first to like compact vehicles and came up with the 5x. It then compared to a big SUV and showed that the emissions was 15x. Finally, it compared to a hummer - 45x.
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sluDgE, according to NoSUV, hybrids produce completely different type of emissions. Those that are known to heal cancer and bring peace on Earth. Continiously. [:p]

From http://www.hybridcars.com/gas-mileage-factors/aggressive-driving-and-gas-mileage.html:

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The most dramatic comparison in the multi-vehicle DOE study was analyzing the differences between the Toyota Prius—the quintessential hybrid—and the Jaguar XJ8, a high-performance vehicle. To establish a baseline for efficiency, the DOE researchers searched for the speed at which each vehicle was the most efficient. They used a treadmill-like device called dynamometer to run the vehicles at a constant speed for 30 continuous minutes. The most efficient speed for the Toyota Prius was 20 mph, and its least efficient level was 70 mph.


It's obvious hybrids shine - and belong!- in cities and stop-n-go traffic. They have no place on HOV.




And the "most efficient speed" for your vehicle is what - 35 mph? Is that the speed at which you travel?

How efficient is YOUR vehicle at 70?

Instead of distorting facts, how about some more useful information.

Figures don't lie, but liars figure.
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