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Originally posted by glacier

	[br]Tiffany,

	
	Again, I respectfully submit the question:  what free ticket? I don't see this mutually dependent relationship being FREE to either side, passenger included.

	
	Also, my response to your "What is not acceptable in my book is anxiously getting home to post on S-L.COM about your miserable experience when you did nothing to try to improve it.�:  Yes, the slug should tell the driver about the problem.  However, regardless of whether they do or not, this website is the perfect place top mention it.  Why?  Because other drivers, who are courteous, may see themselves in the post and change a habit or two (then again, maybe not).  

	
	Remember, whining is in the eye of the whiner.  It's very easy for those of not whining to separate the chaff from the wheat and move along.  Thanks for the discussion.

	
	Cheers,

	
	Glacier

	
	Glacier, will you entertain my thought that posting someone's license plate might be excessive.

	
	Could a post containing enough vital information concerning an experience w/o posting license plate info be enough?

	
	The free ticket in this sense is that I believe that as a slug I benefit more from the experience than the driver.  Notice I said MORE, not that we both didn't benefit.  We both arrived there safe and sound, but I did not have to expend any effort other than to park my car and get into line.  Yes, the driver would be stuck in traffic if not for picking up slugs, however, 1 its his or her vehicle, 2 the ride does not cost the slug one single penny. I was merely refering to who absorbs the actual out of pocket cost of slugging experience.

	
	I think that this website is an excellent place to post comments concerning an experience where others may benefit by avoidance, and I strongly believe that this can be accomplished without posting their license plate information. 

	
	Carleric, as I was explaining to Glacier.  Its the "Sky is Falling" mentality that I gather from many posts where others chime in with ways to "Display" (and thereby "Blacklist") a driver by posting information at p/u or drop off points that I think is absolutely rediculous.  One can acurately describe a vehicle and its driver that would caution someone w/o posting a license plate.  

	
	Pb1974, I guess I have become acustomed to a way of life different than yours.  Kind of like where one performs a task, then and only then may they ask where in the global picture did there actions fit in.  Just in case that didn't make sense... I'm not used to complaining or whinning especially when the opposition does not have a chance to respond.  The difference with my call to light (which you call complaining about people complaining) is that I am not complaining that the driver was on the phone, eating a sandwich, while changes lanes and we were speeding.  I am giving you and others(which has obviously got under your skin) an alternate point of view.  I chose to read each post and in my conclusion a system should be identified and created, perhaps an html page for each lot where vehicles and drivers are identified and experiences cross referenced without the necessity to crawl around this forum pointing fingers at specific license plates w/o any rebute.  

	
	Can anyone out there give credit to what I am saying?  Has anyone had any training where you are walked into a room, given an opportunity to spend 2 minutes looking around before being escorted out?  I know that I can give someone enough information about you to acurately describe your vehicle and your special talents that can upset a slugger. 

	
	I guess what initially started to get me upset was the complaining can almost read that those who have posted are (not better than anyone else) rather have not themselves driven too fast for road conditions, drove while on the phone, or changed lanes without signaling.

	
	Venting yes, but to a slug who is also a driver - i can't see where some of these post wouldn't upset you either.

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KNLNGUS Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 29 Oct 2003 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote KNLNGUS Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 Jul 2004 at 7:31pm
	quote: Originally posted by glacier [br]Tiffany, Again, I respectfully submit the question: what free ticket? I don't see this mutually dependent relationship being FREE to either side, passenger included. Also, my response to your "What is not acceptable in my book is anxiously getting home to post on S-L.COM about your miserable experience when you did nothing to try to improve it.�: Yes, the slug should tell the driver about the problem. However, regardless of whether they do or not, this website is the perfect place top mention it. Why? Because other drivers, who are courteous, may see themselves in the post and change a habit or two (then again, maybe not). Remember, whining is in the eye of the whiner. It's very easy for those of not whining to separate the chaff from the wheat and move along. Thanks for the discussion. Cheers, Glacier Glacier, will you entertain my thought that posting someone's license plate might be excessive. Could a post containing enough vital information concerning an experience w/o posting license plate info be enough? The free ticket in this sense is that I believe that as a slug I benefit more from the experience than the driver. Notice I said MORE, not that we both didn't benefit. We both arrived there safe and sound, but I did not have to expend any effort other than to park my car and get into line. Yes, the driver would be stuck in traffic if not for picking up slugs, however, 1 its his or her vehicle, 2 the ride does not cost the slug one single penny. I was merely refering to who absorbs the actual out of pocket cost of slugging experience. I think that this website is an excellent place to post comments concerning an experience where others may benefit by avoidance, and I strongly believe that this can be accomplished without posting their license plate information. Carleric, as I was explaining to Glacier. Its the "Sky is Falling" mentality that I gather from many posts where others chime in with ways to "Display" (and thereby "Blacklist") a driver by posting information at p/u or drop off points that I think is absolutely rediculous. One can acurately describe a vehicle and its driver that would caution someone w/o posting a license plate. Pb1974, I guess I have become acustomed to a way of life different than yours. Kind of like where one performs a task, then and only then may they ask where in the global picture did there actions fit in. Just in case that didn't make sense... I'm not used to complaining or whinning especially when the opposition does not have a chance to respond. The difference with my call to light (which you call complaining about people complaining) is that I am not complaining that the driver was on the phone, eating a sandwich, while changes lanes and we were speeding. I am giving you and others(which has obviously got under your skin) an alternate point of view. I chose to read each post and in my conclusion a system should be identified and created, perhaps an html page for each lot where vehicles and drivers are identified and experiences cross referenced without the necessity to crawl around this forum pointing fingers at specific license plates w/o any rebute. Can anyone out there give credit to what I am saying? Has anyone had any training where you are walked into a room, given an opportunity to spend 2 minutes looking around before being escorted out? I know that I can give someone enough information about you to acurately describe your vehicle and your special talents that can upset a slugger. I guess what initially started to get me upset was the complaining can almost read that those who have posted are (not better than anyone else) rather have not themselves driven too fast for road conditions, drove while on the phone, or changed lanes without signaling. Venting yes, but to a slug who is also a driver - i can't see where some of these post wouldn't upset you either.

glacier Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 11 Dec 2002 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote glacier Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 Jul 2004 at 5:19pm
	Tiffany, Again, I respectfully submit the question: what free ticket? I don't see this mutually dependent relationship being FREE to either side, passenger included. Also, my response to your "What is not acceptable in my book is anxiously getting home to post on S-L.COM about your miserable experience when you did nothing to try to improve it.�: Yes, the slug should tell the driver about the problem. However, regardless of whether they do or not, this website is the perfect place top mention it. Why? Because other drivers, who are courteous, may see themselves in the post and change a habit or two (then again, maybe not). Remember, whining is in the eye of the whiner. It's very easy for those of not whining to separate the chaff from the wheat and move along. Thanks for the discussion. Cheers, Glacier

pb1974 Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 17 Nov 2003 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote pb1974 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 Jul 2004 at 4:17pm
	I never claimed to represent anyone. I was merely saying, if you have a problem with what people are saying in this thread, perhaps (yes, perhaps), you shouldn't read it. You are complaining about people complaining...so what makes you any smarter or better than anyone that's posted on this thread? You are complaining about people being overly dramatic. Well, to me, your posts are overly dramatic. Sorry, I see nothing "reeking of histrionics" in my so-called presentation. Sarcasm in my last post, maybe...but that is not histrionics. Why don't you tell me what value you yourself are adding by chastising people for venting (and carleric is right...most people aren't going to remember what was said on here anyway, so it really does just add up to venting)? Fine, you offered up your POV, I've offered up mine. And yes, it is only my opinion.

KNLNGUS Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 29 Oct 2003 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote KNLNGUS Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 Jul 2004 at 3:51pm
	quote: Originally posted by pb1974 [br]Perhaps if one doesn't like what she reads here, she should not continue to come in. shrug Perhaps one should heed her own advice and not add to the histrionics. Perhaps(?)... are you kidding me? Do you value yourself as a representatvie for this group because I'm getting confused here. Your own presentation reeks of histrionics. What value have you added in contradiction to what I am saying. I am offering up a point of view in response to what I have read. I will treat your opinion like a nose... we both have them. And I still say posting up license plates is a bit excessive.

slugbug Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 14 May 2004 Location: va Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote slugbug Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 Jul 2004 at 3:49pm
	I agree. This site is not hard to maneuver around, so basically...you can pick and choose what you "want" to read. It's an informational and venting outlet. So let it be. quote: Originally posted by pb1974 [br]Perhaps if one doesn't like what she reads here, she should not continue to come in. shrug Perhaps one should heed her own advice and not add to the histrionics.

carleric Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 22 Apr 2004 Location: va Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote carleric Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 Jul 2004 at 3:39pm
	Perhaps I am simply incorrect about the power of this thread. I had assumed that it was more cathartic in nature; a place where people go to vent. It never really occurred to me that people would actually use this information - I mean, who has accecss to this website as they're standing in line or waiting in their car? Is this thread more than just blowing steam off? But my question remains - assuming reasonable complaints are fine, how else are we supposed to post them OTHER than by identifying features like license plates? Eric Tackett's Mill to Rosslyn and back I slug.

pb1974 Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 17 Nov 2003 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote pb1974 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 Jul 2004 at 3:32pm
	Perhaps if one doesn't like what she reads here, she should not continue to come in. shrug Perhaps one should heed her own advice and not add to the histrionics.

KNLNGUS Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 29 Oct 2003 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote KNLNGUS Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 Jul 2004 at 3:24pm
	quote: Originally posted by carleric [br]"Malicous behavior should be identified but who are we to define someone with having them wear a scarlet letter (Puhlease people) because Jane Doe said (or typed) in a Betty Boop whine, "He was driving so reckless." " I do not understand the above sentence. How then, exactly, are we supposed to identify the supposed "malicious" behavior? And I resent the implication that I, as a rider, am supposed to sit back and take it, chalking everything up to personal differences. I AM grateful for the ride and I AM willing to put up with not being perfectly comfortable, but (and this seems like the 1000th time we've had to say this) the driver wouldn't be there without us riders, either. Or are we to be Victorian children, seen and not heard? Eric Tackett's Mill to Rosslyn and back I slug. I did not once say you are supposed to sit back and take it� Without question, if you believe your safety has been compromised, use tact and diplomacy to confront the situation. However, I believe that (along with the fact that you are less apt to remember a license plate) you will remember � Black 4 door Honda w/ one grey door, Rte 610 to Pentagon, Male Hispanic Driver, typically arriving at 6:45AM as opposed to posting up a license plate. Should a driver post� Anglo Saxon, 6�4�, looks to weigh 185lbs, has one freckle above left eye, goes by the name Chris, and questions you about errant driving characteristics when he places he nose into your speedometer to the astonishment that you are actually cruising 5 � 10 miles per hour over the speed limit. After all� you are breaking the law. A law breaker. A danger to society. Perhaps the general public should know that I am a law breaker. What about the police, now (in more than mere theory) could I expect a knock on my door by the police department since my license plate was placed on a PUBLIC forum with a person who accuses me of an act to which I (may not be able to respond to) before a bunch of sheep jump in with �the world is coming to an end� lets identify this recluse and call him or her out because we value jazz and a climate of 78 degrees and he or she just happened to merge into traffic and we were practically sitting in the back seat of the vehicle in front of us! My goodness, we were driving so close, why, �I just have never experienced this before� the sky is falling!� Yes, I too would not be able to drive into Crystal City without riders. I have my own set of rules when I drive in. However, I give riders a clean, safe, climate controlled, environment, easy listening music (that I enjoy), set the cruise control at 70, and no� I don�t want to engage in meaningless conversation. So to a certain degree� YES, shy of immanent danger to all of us that I am not able to identify or your going to loose your faculties� I don�t want to hear it. I am saying people, �that I slug in too.� I have to deal with most every issue that people have spoke about and I can agree with identifying the person, HOWEVER, I have read ridiculous responses to identifying people who are errant drivers. I would rather someone tell me they are about to soil themselves because I am driving 70 miles per hour than to read that someone was so generous as to post my license plate on this forum. Someone can open their mouth and then we are supposed to believe that they drive this way all of the time. What if they had a bad day? What if you didn�t say anything to them to correct their behavior � but complain about it and �blacklist� them by posting your 2 cents on a �do not ride in� thread? I have seen people make whispers and comments in line about other drivers as they approach the line. You know what I say. I don�t know if anyone has mentioned this to you before but there is general talk about you in the slug line. The first comment is, �Oh yeah, what is being said.� And I repeat what I hear and I don�t have a problem. BTW, the situation rarely happens.

carleric Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 22 Apr 2004 Location: va Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote carleric Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 Jul 2004 at 2:46pm
	"Malicous behavior should be identified but who are we to define someone with having them wear a scarlet letter (Puhlease people) because Jane Doe said (or typed) in a Betty Boop whine, "He was driving so reckless." " I do not understand the above sentence. How then, exactly, are we supposed to identify the supposed "malicious" behavior? And I resent the implication that I, as a rider, am supposed to sit back and take it, chalking everything up to personal differences. I AM grateful for the ride and I AM willing to put up with not being perfectly comfortable, but (and this seems like the 1000th time we've had to say this) the driver wouldn't be there without us riders, either. Or are we to be Victorian children, seen and not heard? Eric Tackett's Mill to Rosslyn and back I slug.

Uhura Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 10 Feb 2004 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Uhura Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 Jul 2004 at 2:14pm
	quote: Originally posted by KNLNGUS [br]I agree with posting comments about situations which can make someone feel uncomfortable. But after reading all this gripping I must ask. When I choose to drive in, should I offer my occupants that I pick up some refreshments and a tasty treat or a newspaper to read? Or, should ask what radio station you prefer and switch the station to accommodate you? And if I prefer my vehicle's auto climate control to be at 72 degrees but you are too cold... I should raise it to 76 degrees. Perhaps a sign that says? Clean Cream Puff ride with Ice cold air conditioning. Sheesh. People. I can see cleanliness being an issue. But do not know how many times I have been made to feel uncomfortable by sluggers. I don?t want to hear you speak of your brother's half sister?s cousin in Kentucky bought a news paper route from a French man who got his nails manicured while on vacation in Florida, whether you are talking out loud or on your cell phone. Although on occasion, I enjoy listening to R&B, if you do not like country music, buy yourself some disposable ear protection. Protect yourself. Just announce your drop off point at the beginning of the ride and sit back and relax. I pass on sluggers because they are consuming food in line or drinking coffee. Do not assume because you are first in line that I will allow you into my vehicle with your coffee cup just because it has a lid JUST because I am consuming my coffee. When I slug in, I try my best to keep my pie hole shut. I am getting a free ride and it only lasts 30 - 45 minutes. If the driver is driving a WHOPPINGLY DANGEROUS OH MY GOODNESS I NEED TO CALL MY HUSBAND SO HE CAN HOLD ME VERY SCARY EVIL KNIEVEL LIKE 75 - 80 miles per hour... I don't get my panties in a bunch. If he or she is driving with the speed of traffic and is not all over the place - so be it. If I am cold or hot? I deal with it. I can easily peer into a vehicle, better yet, open the door. If I notice a smell, or it looks like their personal trash can... I simply do not get into the vehicle. If I recognize someone whose behavior I didn't enjoy... I simple say to the next person in line, "No thanks, I'll pass, you go ahead." No one can prevent anyone from posting information concerning someone's vehicle description or tag number AND perhaps this may be the best way to get the information out. I think an accurate description of the person, make & model, offense, and destination is enough. BUT, I'm willing to bet that there is a whole lot of embellishing in posts. Embellishing everything from speed, to smell, to cleanliness, you name it. Why, because we are all perfect here at Slug-Lines.com! We all drive an immaculate 47k 2004 Lexus and our own driving behavior is so impeccable that we are afforded the opportunity to complain about a good thing and when we complain we always find a way to put the nicest twist or spin on our post that reflects truth with such tact and diplomacy. We have all had to put up with someone who doesn't run their air conditioner in the summer or heat in the winter, has cracks in their windshield, people that smell like they haven't bathed in weeks, or are wearing overpowering perfume or cologne, vehicles that just stink - but guess what folks. The ride is still free of charge. Make your decision to get in the vehicle and for the most part zip it. If you feel that your personal safety is in question or you do not like their music, vehicle temperature, smell, no side view mirror, use that same mirror shine tact and diplomacy that I have read in this thread to make a comment to the driver BEFORE you get home to suckle? I have read the idea of posting license plate tag numbers at various p/u and drop off points... I know... what about a photo of the car, the persons birth certificate, maybe we can even get a copy of their revoked driver's license, insurance information, and home address. Oh, Wait a minute... perhaps we should all rally together with candlelight in the evening singing Kum Ba Yah? So what you had to listen to rap music ? get over it, telecommute, or drive in princess! [:I] Tiffany Elaine Brandt, a slugger and driver from Tackett?s Mill to Crystal City. I like your name and your honesty! Live Long and Prosper