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   Tolls are not on the Interstates in PA.  They are on the turnpike.  Clearly you can distinguish between the 2 when you ride on them as to where the money is being spent.  You are still arguing a stupid point.  We all pay (gas) taxes to commute in the state.  Some pay more, others pay less.  I would think hybrids pay less since they get better gas mileage.  So does that make you a hypocrite?  You are not contributing as much as the corvette owner driving beside you.  He has to run premium.

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bnvus Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote bnvus Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 Dec 2006 at 2:29pm
	Tolls are not on the Interstates in PA. They are on the turnpike. Clearly you can distinguish between the 2 when you ride on them as to where the money is being spent. You are still arguing a stupid point. We all pay (gas) taxes to commute in the state. Some pay more, others pay less. I would think hybrids pay less since they get better gas mileage. So does that make you a hypocrite? You are not contributing as much as the corvette owner driving beside you. He has to run premium.

scottt Members Profile Find Members Posts Senior Slug Joined: 12 May 2004 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 106	Post Options Post Reply Quote scottt Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 Dec 2006 at 6:27pm
	NoSUV, I still don't see you coughing up the extra money for those of us to buy Hybrids. If a Hybrid vs a non-Hybrid were the same price, then fine, you can gripe. But until then, please go away.

NoSUV Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote NoSUV Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Dec 2006 at 2:48pm
	quote: Originally posted by MDC [br]I think they need to charge twice the tax on hybrid gasoline. Otherwise, the hybrid drivers can't be paying their fair share of the road upkeep. Actually, Perhaps a more enlightened solution is to change the tax to $10/gal. Would surely stop the congestion problem - and then, perhaps, slugs would no longer ride for free. Do you think more people would be inclined to get a hybrid? What gets me is how slugs like MDC feel that they shouldn't pay their fair (fare?) share - that they have an "entitlement" to not providing for maintenance and upkeep. But, oh my goodness, propose a TOLL on vehicles or try to better the environment by offering incentives to SULEV, and they go nuts. Buy a hybrid, MDC. Stop making the world a worse place. Those who believe in Jesus at this time of year also have Scripture telling them to be stewards of the Earth. Do your part with a SULEV purchase. Keep slugging, but all of those miles YOU PERSONALLY drive in an non-SULEV are worse for the earth than hybrids.

darkprime Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote darkprime Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Dec 2006 at 2:25pm
	Good point MDC. NoSUV, as for PA and it's tolls, the only toll road I know of is the PA Turnpike. Take it about oh 5 miles or so outside of Philadelphia and all the way until it ends around Scranton and you will see that those tolls do not go to the road. I'm not joking either, seriously ride along it and you will be appalled by the potholes, worn lines, broken gravel, missing or eroded shoulders, etc.

MDC Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 04 Dec 2002 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote MDC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Dec 2006 at 1:59pm
	I think they need to charge twice the tax on hybrid gasoline. Otherwise, the hybrid drivers can't be paying their fair share of the road upkeep.

NoSUV Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote NoSUV Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Dec 2006 at 12:42pm
	Ah, but doesn't PA use a toll system to provide upkeep on interstates? Are you instead advocating that a toll system to have users pay for the upkeep of the roads they use is a better system than using the state tax on gas?

darkprime Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote darkprime Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Dec 2006 at 12:26pm
	I present the state of Pennsylvania as an example of the non-relationship between road maintenance and gas tax: Drive on PA roads, especially those north of Harrisburg and you will see that the gas tax does not effect the roads. No one has said they have no responsibility to contributing to road upkeep. If you stopped insisting that they only way to contribute is by paying gasoline tax (which he says he does when HE drives), you would see this.

NoSUV Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote NoSUV Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Dec 2006 at 9:14am
	Are you saying that there is NO relationship to gas being taxed and roads? Are you also saying that you have no responsibility to contributing to road upkeep?

bnvus Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote bnvus Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 21 Dec 2006 at 3:30pm
	You are arguing a stupid point NoSUV. Gas tax...really. It isn't like I don't drive in the state. So I pay taxes...for the roads. Are you going to get upset at me for not paying any state taxes also...because I am Military? Blame the government now for having miltary in the area, clogging up the freeways. It's the governments fault that their are so many jobs in this region. It's the governments fault that gas prices are so high....etc. etc. You are just one of those typical people who find reasons with change when it affects YOUR well being.

darkprime Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote darkprime Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 Dec 2006 at 4:20pm
	Using metro doesn't contribute to the roads as you suggest and taking the bus results in a marginally if any contribution to gas taxes. Another thing you overlook is how funds are dispersed in the state of Virginia: Richmond controls the money and historically is not a fan of sending funds to NOVA roads versus other parts of the state. Why don't you read what I wrote (re-read it if you think you have already) and you will see that the slug indirectly is supporting the roads. If you can't see that, then perhaps your problem is that you're simply jealous that there are people out there willing to ride with others.