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[br]With tolls, the vehicle that is on THAT ROAD, pays for THAT ROAD.



And of course that would be a fair way to establish a user tax, but that is not how taxes are distributed in VA. Tax payers in NOVA have been subsidizing SOVA road projects for years. Where's the parity? Where's the payback? By distributing funding for NOVA road costs back across the whole state, the way NOVA taxes are used to subsidize road construction for the whole state, we may finally have some parity.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bob Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jan 2007 at 11:49am
With taxes, the taxpayers have some say in how much. With tolls on private toll roads, the companies can charge anything they want.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote n/a Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jan 2007 at 11:52am
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[br]With taxes, the taxpayers have some say in how much. With tolls on private toll roads, the companies can charge anything they want.


Another good argument against toll roads! Thanks Bob!

Besides, once the private companies pay their fat executive salaries, their stockholders, and their hip-pocket-politicians, how much of that toll revenue do you really think will make back to fix the pot-holes?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bob Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jan 2007 at 11:56am
And I was just going to add that X percent of HOT tolls not only will go out of state, but out of the country. Crock. Whatever toll revenues are generated should stay in VA/US.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SpongeBob Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jan 2007 at 12:47pm
If you follow NoSUV's "logic", then we ought to charge only parents the taxes that support schools.

National parks should be turned over to private companies to run as they see fit, with only visitors paying for them. Wonder what the admission fee would be then?

NoSUV, will you be sending in a contribution for the "use of the road" should the fire department ever need to come to your place?

Some vehicles "use" the road a lot harder than others. Will we be charged a weight fee? Will fat people pay more?

If you accidentally have an accident, will you need to reimburse the state for lost revenue?

NoSUV, as usual you don't have a leg to stand on. My god, if I was that dumb, Patrick Starfish would be the lead and I'd be the sidekick.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote NoSUV Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jan 2007 at 10:30am
Sponge - my, you've hit the nail on the head! Have you noticed that education bonds have a tough time passing because there is a higher percentage of voters without school age children than those with? That private parks DO exist with only visitors paying for them? On the weight question, have you notices that toll booths charge a different price for each axle? And have you noticed that in many cases, when there is an accident and the police arrive, a citation is issued - which costs the offender money?

Note that in the general comment area that the toll breakdown in at least one bill is 75% for that jurisdiction - proving, once again, that raymond's posts are idiodic.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote darkprime Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jan 2007 at 12:25pm
But the bill does not say exactly how that revenue is to be spent/applied. The toll company can argue (and I'm sure they will do this) that paying their executives and shareholders is an operational expensive of some sort that must be paid in the toll's jurisdiction.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SpongeBob Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jan 2007 at 9:38am
What? You are making even less sense than usual, NoSUV.
You cannot really be so stupid as to be suggesting that only parents should pay for schools... or are you flipping to the other side of the argument? You said only users should pay for roads, and I'm saying you are an idiot because if you apply that standard to other government-overseen things like schools, you see that it does not make logical sense. Now you are talking about bonds when the subject was taxes. No one, not even you, could be so retarded as to say that taxes should not support schools, nor that only those with kids in school should pay school taxes.

So Gettysburg and Antietam should be private parks? And Yellowstone should be sold to the highest bidder? My point isn't that there are no private parks, it is that some things are held to be of such value to all in society that we ask our government to handle them. Things like Gettysburg and Yellowstone.

And yes, there are per-axle tolls, but my point, which you ignored or missed as usual, was about the definition of the word "user". A two-axle trash truck weighing 10 tons "uses" the road a lot more than a Honda Civic carrying one person. How are you going to equitably charge them? And should business users of the road pay more or less than pleasure users of the road? A motorcycle club on a Sunday ride vs a fleet of panel vans? Oh yeah, equitable isn't in your vocabulary.

Finally, there are many accidents that tie up traffic that do not result in a citation. The citation, moreover, is not related in any way to the traffic flow on the road, but is a punitive measure.

Really, we've all got better things to do than argue with you.
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Important issues being discussed here that deserve to be bumped up above the spam. Anyone is welcome to add their opinion to the discussion...
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bumped up again
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