Tolls to hit $1 a mile on 91 Express Lanes

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   Sludge, Thank you for the back info.  Like I said it was a long time ago, sorry to hear they may bring them back.

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dfesta Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Virginia Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote dfesta Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Tolls to hit $1 a mile on 91 Express Lanes Posted: 26 Jun 2008 at 2:36pm
	Sludge, Thank you for the back info. Like I said it was a long time ago, sorry to hear they may bring them back.

sluDgE Members Profile Find Members Posts Master Slug Joined: 27 Oct 2003 Status: Offline Points: 501	Post Options Post Reply Quote sluDgE Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 Jun 2008 at 1:09pm
	dfesta, The answer is 1995. [:)] From: http://www.roadstothefuture.com/I264_VA_Desc.html "The VA-44 Virginia Beach - Norfolk Expressway was renumbered to I-264 in July 1999. This is logical, since VA-44 was basically an eastward continuation of the original I-264, which ran through Portsmouth and Norfolk. VA-44 was built to Interstate standards. It was not originally part of the Interstate system, it was built and funded with toll revenue bonds. The Expressway opened in 1967, and ran 12 miles, from I-64/I-264 in Norfolk to the Virginia Beach oceanfront, and it was a toll road until 1995 when the tolls and toll booths were removed. The car toll was 25 cents. The original road had 4 lanes (2 each way). It was widened to 6 lanes in the 1980s, and to 8 lanes in the early 1990s."

757slugger Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 17 Jun 2008 Location: Virginia Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote 757slugger Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 Jun 2008 at 11:51am
	dfesta, I am from the Hampton Roads area and they are trying to bring the tolls back particularly to the Downtown and Midtown tunnels to cut back congestion during peak time hours.

dfesta Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Virginia Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote dfesta Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jun 2008 at 1:13pm
	The tolls in Va Bch stopped and went away.....Anyone remember???? Ok, may be dating myself but in 1986 to ?? there were tolls you had to pay however since then the road has been paid for and the tolls were removed. Not sure when this happened though.

SpongeBob Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 06 Oct 2004 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote SpongeBob Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Jun 2008 at 12:41pm
	Again, NoSUV posts his ignorance: HOV3 is NOT free on SR91. This is from their website: "Vehicles with three or more persons (HOV3+), zero emission vehicles (ZEVs), motorcycles, disabled plates and disabled veterans are permitted to ride free in the 91 Express Lanes during most hours. The exception is Monday through Friday 4:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m. in the eastbound direction when these users pay 50 percent of the toll. The exception that these users pay 50 percent remains in effect until such time as the Debt Service Coverage Ratio - inclusive of senior and subordinated debt - is projected to be 1.2 or greater for a six month period. At that time, HOV3+ users will ride free all day, every day." But the issue isn't the free part of it, it is that their system has only ONE tollbooth. So enforcement is easy. Our system will have dozens of toll gantries, not one of which will be able to verify HOV-3 status. Without verification, every vehicle must be charged the same. Period. You cannot argue otherwise, unless you are a complete idiot.

Luddite Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Luddite Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 Jun 2008 at 9:22am
	I've pointed numerous times over some years that HOV3 wasn't going to remain free. This has been a done deal for years! Done and done. I think it was a couple of years ago that our legislators shafted us and voted against keeping HOV3 free forever. Way to keep up with the issues folks.

winglover1 Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 27 May 2008 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote winglover1 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 May 2008 at 10:06pm
	Once a Toll... Always a Toll!!! Do you think that once they get used to the money flowing in, that the tolls will ever stop?! Not! Case in point, Dulles Toll Road. It will never be paid off, because if it were, the bureaucrats and their buddies that run it would be out of a JOB! A well paying job at that! Not happening! [:(!] AKA Mr. Bill Oh Nooo!!!

CallmeMrSlug Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 21 Mar 2005 Location: Virginia Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote CallmeMrSlug Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 Feb 2008 at 2:42pm
	Some further notes which should be of interest to those who commute from further out: http://www.91expresslanes.com/tollschedules.asp That is the toll schedule. The average toll between 6 and 9:00 am for the busy direction is about 4.00. For the return drive from 4-6:00, it is about 8.00. That is 12.00 a day at peak hours when most employers work. Most employees work 21 days a month, so that is 252.00 a MONTH under congestion pricing for peak drive time. That is 3024.00 a year to drive in the express lanes out there. There is a reason they call them the "lexus lanes" because they price out the average citizen whose taxes built the road to begin with. Also note that the 91 Express length is only 10 miles. That is not even the distance from Fredericksburg to Stafford. From Stafford to DC, that is what, let's just say 40 miles, to be conservative. Assuming the 91 express tolls apply here, they would cost at least $1008 a month to commute to DC, or $12096 in tolls a year. If they give the driver a "break" for having three in the car, that is still over 6,000 a year from Stafford to DC.

CallmeMrSlug Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 21 Mar 2005 Location: Virginia Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote CallmeMrSlug Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 Feb 2008 at 2:33pm
	Well, not always free NoSUV. There is this limitation in their policy: http://www.91expresslanes.com/generalinfo/tollpolicy.asp Vehicles with three or more persons (HOV3+), zero emission vehicles (ZEVs), motorcycles, disabled plates and disabled veterans are permitted to ride free in the 91 Express Lanes during most hours. The exception is Monday through Friday 4:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m. in the eastbound direction when these users pay 50 percent of the toll. The exception that these users pay 50 percent remains in effect until such time as the Debt Service Coverage Ratio - inclusive of senior and subordinated debt - is projected to be 1.2 or greater for a six month period. At that time, HOV3+ users will ride free all day, every day.

NoSUV Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote NoSUV Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 Feb 2008 at 1:33pm
	quote: Originally posted by scottt [br]Those who think that HOV3 will be (and continue to be) free are lying to themselves. In CA, on the 91 express lanes, before they were built we were promised HOV3 would be free. It was.....for a short time. scottt, CA-91 is still free for HOV-3 in the express lanes. They are required to have a FastTrac, though.