A proposal for hybrids

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   It's like an excuse because people using HOV without passengers are relying on an exemption to the law.  They are called High Occupancy lanes for a reason.

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MDC Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 04 Dec 2002 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote MDC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 Aug 2003 at 8:05pm
	It's like an excuse because people using HOV without passengers are relying on an exemption to the law. They are called High Occupancy lanes for a reason.

eziggy3 Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 08 May 2003 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote eziggy3 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 Aug 2003 at 12:21pm
	Oh, I understand what you "enjoy". You're no different than anyone else. You own a hybrid, so I expect you to make these excuses and differences. It still does not make it proper to ride in HOV lanes alone. How 'bout "clean air vehicles" for regular lanes? I mean, if HOV lanes were separated from regular lanes by a mile or so, I could understand your rational; however, these lanes are separated by jersey walls only. How much sense does that make to say "the clean fuel exemption for HOV is a good thing"? Come on, you must admit, with as many vehicles as we have out there, everything mixes and there's no such thing as "clean fuel" along the I-95 corridor. Again, your points are valid ones, only to you and other hybrid owners. As you can see, understanding folks, such non-hybrid owners make valid points as well and to me, these points are easier to understand rather than submitting this c/r/a/p about "clean fuel exemption for HOV". Thanks How can you say he is making excuses when he is following the law? eziggy3

eziggy3 Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 08 May 2003 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote eziggy3 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 Aug 2003 at 12:18pm
	It's actually 2006. Go Hybrid! quote: Originally posted by bernestih [br]Hi All It is my understanding that the hybrids are only allowed to utilize the HOV under 2004, Otherwise, HOV will be like the regular lanes. . .hmmmmmm. eziggy3

mroyal Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 01 Apr 2003 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote mroyal Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 Aug 2003 at 11:55am
	Ya'll just don't get it. I'll try one last time, then I give up. The government wants to provide enough incentive to get people to buy low emmision vehicles. The question is "What is the proper level of incentive?" For some, high MPG does it. For others, environmental issues do it. But HOV4-1 was the incentive that caused my family to buy a hybrid. Without that incentive, we would have purchased some other vehicle. So, the incentive is working. Kindest Regards, mroyal

MDC Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 04 Dec 2002 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote MDC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 Aug 2003 at 9:53pm
	If they hybrid owners are driving them to help keep the environment clean, they should be in the regular lanes. They would get better mileage, and better emmissions there according to everything I've read on "hybrid" gas-electric technology. 1 is not HOV.

vabigblue Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 16 Jul 2003 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote vabigblue Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Aug 2003 at 8:30am
	quote: Originally posted by VA_Slugger [br]Vabigblue, well said about the distance between the HOV lane and the "regular" lane. But, mroyal has some valid points too. Why not take advantage of the "savings" and do "what you can" for the environment. Just an observation. Good Day to all! Thanks "Slugger". I certainly am for the good of the environment; however, that doesn't seem to be all there is to it with this thread. I said what I thought was necessary and won't resond to any more "hhybrid" posts. It's all just an opinion and I won't try to change anyone else's just voice mine at the appropriate opportunity. Thanks again.

vabigblue Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 16 Jul 2003 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote vabigblue Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Aug 2003 at 8:25am
	quote: Originally posted by VA_Slugger [br]Vabigblue, well said about the distance between the HOV lane and the "regular" lane. But, mroyal has some valid points too. Why not take advantage of the "savings" and do "what you can" for the environment. Just an observation. Good Day to all!

VA_Slugger Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 09 Apr 2003 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote VA_Slugger Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 Aug 2003 at 12:21pm
	Vabigblue, well said about the distance between the HOV lane and the "regular" lane. But, mroyal has some valid points too. Why not take advantage of the "savings" and do "what you can" for the environment. Just an observation. Good Day to all!

vabigblue Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 16 Jul 2003 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote vabigblue Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 Aug 2003 at 9:40am
	quote: Originally posted by mroyal [br] quote: Originally posted by vabigblue [br] quote: Originally posted by mroyal [br]No specific message, I just wanted to raise this thread back to the top, since it is so related to the other hybrid thread. Kindest Regards, mroyal I must say mroyal, you enjoy keeping these threads going. To push a little further, is there any news on when the state government will take these vehicles out of the HOV lanes unless they have three or more riders? Again, I find it amazing that some vehicles qualify for HOV with no riders when others do not. I have seen or heard nothing from an environmental standpoint that qualifies hybrids for HOV access. A vehicle is a vehicle is a vehicle and they all should be treated the same. All these thousands of vehicles each day travel up and down I-95 emitting "whatever" into the environment. Now, tell me why or how one vehicle, because of its make-up can all of a sudden clean up the area by driving in the HOV lanes? It makes no sense and the law should be, drive with one rider and drive in regular lanes. This is one rule I do not and never will understand, regardless of [?] gas/electrical mileage. Based on what I saw this a.m., the HOV lanes are full of hybrids, some with other riders inside but the majority, single drivers. But that's the law and we'll abide by it until it changes, which should be in the very near future if it continues the way it is now. Thanks I am surprised to read that you know what I enjoy, but your statements such as "This is one rule I do not and never will understand..." is enough for me to not try to explain. There are sufficient questions and answers in these two threads to allow rational understanding of the situation. There are also statements, which I consider to be irrational, such as "The HOV lanes are full of hybrids..." If you have read my opinions, they are: The Clean Fuel exemption for HOV is a good thing. The Hybrids are recognized by Federal and State laws as Clean Fuel vehicles. It's okay to have single occupancy in HOV when it is legal. I think the Law Enforcement exemption is abused by government officials (especially Feds.) There will come a time when there will be too many Clean Fuel vehicles in the HOV lane. The time is not now. But, when that happens, the law should be changed. Other subjects: I am totally against HOT, unless they are separated from HOV. I am in favor of HOV2 on I-95 outside of the beltway. In case you missed it, I don't drive a hybrid, my wife does. I am a slugger, out of convenience and economy. Your mileage may vary, Kindest Regards, mroyal Oh, I understand what you "enjoy". You're no different than anyone else. You own a hybrid, so I expect you to make these excuses and differences. It still does not make it proper to ride in HOV lanes alone. How 'bout "clean air vehicles" for regular lanes? I mean, if HOV lanes were separated from regular lanes by a mile or so, I could understand your rational; however, these lanes are separated by jersey walls only. How much sense does that make to say "the clean fuel exemption for HOV is a good thing"? Come on, you must admit, with as many vehicles as we have out there, everything mixes and there's no such thing as "clean fuel" along the I-95 corridor. Again, your points are valid ones, only to you and other hybrid owners. As you can see, understanding folks, such non-hybrid owners make valid points as well and to me, these points are easier to understand rather than submitting this c/r/a/p about "clean fuel exemption for HOV". Thanks

mroyal Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 01 Apr 2003 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote mroyal Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 Aug 2003 at 10:07am
	quote: Originally posted by viper [br] quote: Originally posted by mroyal [br]Very good replies, all. We are well met. If you will allow one final comment, I'll step aside for any last words. You may have noticed my quotations are the word "excuse." My wife being uncomfortable is the reason that she doesn't pick up slugs; it is not the excuse. An excuse is not necessary, as she is breaking no rules - neither legal, or moral. Kindest Regards, mroyal mroyal, Just because you have the "right" to do something does not make it right. Buying your way onto the HOV (that stands for "high occupancy vehicle") is simply taking advantage of the current rules for one's self at the expense of others. The old "looking out for number one." If many more people take your position and follow in your footsteps we'll have a clogged HOV and more pollutants in the air. V/R Viper Interesting. So, just because I have the right to make a deduction on my income tax, that doesn't mean I should. Just because I am able to "buy into" a new home and claim a deduction on mortgage interest, I shouldn't, because renters are not afforded the same deduction. Just because I am married... Naw, sorry. It doesn't pan out. "..and more pollutants in the air." Nope, just the opposite. Kindest Regards, mroyal