A proposal for hybrids

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Originally posted by vabigblue

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Originally posted by mroyal

	[br]No specific message, I just wanted to raise this thread back to the top, since it is so related to the other hybrid thread.

	
	Kindest Regards,

	
	mroyal

	
	I must say mroyal, you enjoy keeping these threads going.  To push a little further, is there any news on when the state government will take these vehicles out of the HOV lanes unless they have three or more riders?  Again, I find it amazing that some vehicles qualify for HOV with no riders when others do not.  I have seen or heard nothing from an environmental standpoint that qualifies hybrids for HOV access.  A vehicle is a vehicle is a vehicle and they all should be treated the same.  All these thousands of vehicles each day travel up and down I-95 emitting "whatever" into the environment.  Now, tell me why or how one vehicle, because of its make-up can all of a sudden clean up the area by driving in the HOV lanes? It makes no sense and the law should be, drive with one rider and drive in regular lanes.  This is one rule I do not and never will understand, regardless of [?] gas/electrical mileage.  Based on what I saw this a.m., the HOV lanes are full of hybrids, some with other riders inside but the majority, single drivers.  But that's the law and we'll abide by it until it changes, which should be in the very near future if it continues the way it is now.  Thanks

	
	I am surprised to read that you know what I enjoy, but your statements such as "This is one rule I do not and never will understand..." is enough for me to not try to explain.  There are sufficient questions and answers in these two threads to allow rational understanding of the situation.  There are also statements, which I consider to be irrational, such as "The HOV lanes are full of hybrids..."

	
	If you have read my opinions, they are:

	The Clean Fuel exemption for HOV is a good thing.

	The Hybrids are recognized by Federal and State laws as Clean Fuel vehicles.

	It's okay to have single occupancy in HOV when it is legal.

	I think the Law Enforcement exemption is abused by government officials (especially Feds.)

	There will come a time when there will be too many Clean Fuel vehicles in the HOV lane.

	The time is not now.

	But, when that happens, the law should be changed.

	
	Other subjects:

	I am totally against HOT, unless they are separated from HOV.

	I am in favor of HOV2 on I-95 outside of the beltway.

	
	In case you missed it, I don't drive a hybrid, my wife does.  I am a slugger, out of convenience and economy.

	
	Your mileage may vary,

	
	Kindest Regards,

	
	mroyal

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mroyal Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 01 Apr 2003 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote mroyal Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 Aug 2003 at 9:58am
	quote: Originally posted by vabigblue [br] quote: Originally posted by mroyal [br]No specific message, I just wanted to raise this thread back to the top, since it is so related to the other hybrid thread. Kindest Regards, mroyal I must say mroyal, you enjoy keeping these threads going. To push a little further, is there any news on when the state government will take these vehicles out of the HOV lanes unless they have three or more riders? Again, I find it amazing that some vehicles qualify for HOV with no riders when others do not. I have seen or heard nothing from an environmental standpoint that qualifies hybrids for HOV access. A vehicle is a vehicle is a vehicle and they all should be treated the same. All these thousands of vehicles each day travel up and down I-95 emitting "whatever" into the environment. Now, tell me why or how one vehicle, because of its make-up can all of a sudden clean up the area by driving in the HOV lanes? It makes no sense and the law should be, drive with one rider and drive in regular lanes. This is one rule I do not and never will understand, regardless of [?] gas/electrical mileage. Based on what I saw this a.m., the HOV lanes are full of hybrids, some with other riders inside but the majority, single drivers. But that's the law and we'll abide by it until it changes, which should be in the very near future if it continues the way it is now. Thanks I am surprised to read that you know what I enjoy, but your statements such as "This is one rule I do not and never will understand..." is enough for me to not try to explain. There are sufficient questions and answers in these two threads to allow rational understanding of the situation. There are also statements, which I consider to be irrational, such as "The HOV lanes are full of hybrids..." If you have read my opinions, they are: The Clean Fuel exemption for HOV is a good thing. The Hybrids are recognized by Federal and State laws as Clean Fuel vehicles. It's okay to have single occupancy in HOV when it is legal. I think the Law Enforcement exemption is abused by government officials (especially Feds.) There will come a time when there will be too many Clean Fuel vehicles in the HOV lane. The time is not now. But, when that happens, the law should be changed. Other subjects: I am totally against HOT, unless they are separated from HOV. I am in favor of HOV2 on I-95 outside of the beltway. In case you missed it, I don't drive a hybrid, my wife does. I am a slugger, out of convenience and economy. Your mileage may vary, Kindest Regards, mroyal

bernestih Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 31 Jul 2003 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote bernestih Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 Aug 2003 at 9:09am
	Hi All It is my understanding that the hybrids are only allowed to utilize the HOV under 2004, Otherwise, HOV will be like the regular lanes. . .hmmmmmm.

tlschau Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 23 Jul 2002 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote tlschau Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 Jul 2003 at 10:34am
	Keep in mine everyone that Virginia can undo or change the law regarding hybrids and HOV lanes at any time. And given federal influence on such matters I would say that a change will likely occur sooner rather than later.

viper Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 21 Jun 2002 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote viper Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 Jul 2003 at 3:18pm
	quote: Originally posted by mroyal [br]Very good replies, all. We are well met. If you will allow one final comment, I'll step aside for any last words. You may have noticed my quotations are the word "excuse." My wife being uncomfortable is the reason that she doesn't pick up slugs; it is not the excuse. An excuse is not necessary, as she is breaking no rules - neither legal, or moral. Kindest Regards, mroyal mroyal, Just because you have the "right" to do something does not make it right. Buying your way onto the HOV (that stands for "high occupancy vehicle") is simply taking advantage of the current rules for one's self at the expense of others. The old "looking out for number one." If many more people take your position and follow in your footsteps we'll have a clogged HOV and more pollutants in the air. V/R Viper

vabigblue Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 16 Jul 2003 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote vabigblue Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 Jul 2003 at 1:12pm
	quote: Originally posted by mroyal [br]No specific message, I just wanted to raise this thread back to the top, since it is so related to the other hybrid thread. Kindest Regards, mroyal I must say mroyal, you enjoy keeping these threads going. To push a little further, is there any news on when the state government will take these vehicles out of the HOV lanes unless they have three or more riders? Again, I find it amazing that some vehicles qualify for HOV with no riders when others do not. I have seen or heard nothing from an environmental standpoint that qualifies hybrids for HOV access. A vehicle is a vehicle is a vehicle and they all should be treated the same. All these thousands of vehicles each day travel up and down I-95 emitting "whatever" into the environment. Now, tell me why or how one vehicle, because of its make-up can all of a sudden clean up the area by driving in the HOV lanes? It makes no sense and the law should be, drive with one rider and drive in regular lanes. This is one rule I do not and never will understand, regardless of [?] gas/electrical mileage. Based on what I saw this a.m., the HOV lanes are full of hybrids, some with other riders inside but the majority, single drivers. But that's the law and we'll abide by it until it changes, which should be in the very near future if it continues the way it is now. Thanks

mroyal Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 01 Apr 2003 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote mroyal Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jul 2003 at 2:57pm
	No specific message, I just wanted to raise this thread back to the top, since it is so related to the other hybrid thread. Kindest Regards, mroyal

Megled Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 24 Jul 2002 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Megled Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 Jun 2003 at 4:07pm
	No need to feel you must explain yourself to such a degree to people who spout off as gg does. tdar hit in on the head and gg is way out of line. However your wife feels is valid and how anyone else feels about her reasons is totally irrevlant. Take care! quote: Originally posted by mroyal [br]Very good replies, all. We are well met. If you will allow one final comment, I'll step aside for any last words. You may have noticed my quotations are the word "excuse." My wife being uncomfortable is the reason that she doesn't pick up slugs; it is not the excuse. An excuse is not necessary, as she is breaking no rules - neither legal, or moral. Kindest Regards, mroyal

mroyal Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 01 Apr 2003 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote mroyal Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 31 May 2003 at 6:56pm
	Very good replies, all. We are well met. If you will allow one final comment, I'll step aside for any last words. You may have noticed my quotations are the word "excuse." My wife being uncomfortable is the reason that she doesn't pick up slugs; it is not the excuse. An excuse is not necessary, as she is breaking no rules - neither legal, or moral. Kindest Regards, mroyal

gg Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 26 Feb 2002 Location: va Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote gg Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 May 2003 at 4:00pm
	Mirangus, You have made yourself perfectly clear. Thank you. gg

mirangus Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 28 Aug 2002 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote mirangus Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 May 2003 at 2:25pm
	quote: Originally posted by gg [br]mirangus, Have you noticed how many women slug? a lot, I would guess 50%. I think that says a lot about the system. When you said you had a military background I assumed that you were a man, but then again I can't tell from your post. But if you are a man with a military background, doesn't that make it even more astonishing? Now, if you are a woman, I am not trying to lessen the point but commend all the women that slug. gg gg- I am female and the reason that I brought up my military background was actually to accentuate my point. That without the preparedness that I received from the military to deal with dangerous situations, I, myself, might be hesitant to use the slug system. I would probably still do it, but not feel as OK with it. But I guess since I neglected to state my gender, I can see how my point may not have hit home. Sorry for the exclusion. However, on the same note as before... 50% of sluggers may very well be women, but even that fact may not be enough for some women to feel comfortable slugging, esp. when you take into account the chances of riding in a vehicle with 2 other men. Some may have difficulties with that in their mind. In comparison, 50% of those who walk around in DC alone at night may be women, but you can sure bet that I won't be one of them unless there is a REALLY good reason, know what I mean?? [;)] Like I said before, if I didn't have confidence that I could take care of myself in the event of a nasty situation, I may have been hesitant to slug. Now, I've been slugging for a few years now and know, from experience, that a bad situation is NOT likely to happen. But I had the self-confidence BEFORE I started slugging and that made all the difference. Others may not be feeling as well prepared as me or you and don't want to slug. That's their choice and perfectly OK. Oh, BTW, I'm not even limiting the hesitation to just women. I know some men that would never slug. I hope this clarifies for you what I was trying to state earlier. [:)]