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    Posted: 08 Jan 2004 at 8:33am
Spoke to a number of you and found that many are in favor for split lines at Horner Rd in the morning for the Pentagon/Crystal City/Rosslyn line.

Effective Monday morning, Jan 12, this line will be split. Please follow the signs.

The Pentagon line will remain at the current location except the line will now face I-95. That way, the drivers can come up along the entire row of riders for them to get right in.

Rosslyn and Crytal City lines will be moved to the southside, adjacent to the current location (just right across) in the same parking lot. Drivers will drive north in those lanes to pick up riders.

Please pick up fliers located in the bus stops at East Horner lot or at the Pentagon PM slug line shelter. If anyone can tell me how to attach a flier to this forum, that will be great.

Everyone's cooperation is needed to make this work. Please share this information with fellow riders and drivers.

Thanks.
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I had this question before, but waited to see how things worked this morning. Now I'll ask - what problem are we trying to solve here? From what I've seen and heard from other slug lines, the wait at Horner Rd for both drivers and slugs is usually not too bad, most often less than 5-10 minutes. Occasionally cars will back up if there is an abundance of Rosslyn drivers waiting on Rosslyn riders, but most times the line moves pretty well. While the new set-up segregates the Rosslyn folks, it will potentially create multiple lines/groups of cars waiting and it removes some flexibility from those who can drive/ride to either Pentagon/CC/Rossyln (with separate lines, you're forced to decide before you can see how things are going). The new set-up also forces those who opt out of the CC/Rosslyn lines if the bus shows up to have to run across the main flow of traffic to try to catch the bus.

So, not knowing what problem we're trying to solve, it's kind of hard to assess how we're doing. Would appreciate if someone could explain the problem to me.
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I also have no idea why this was done...it certainly didn't save me any time this morning (I am a Rosslyn slugger). In fact, I think it took me longer to get a ride, because most of the drivers don't know the new rules.
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Depending on the time that one rides from the Horner Rd. lot, it can take anywhere from 5 min to 30 minutes to get into a car especially for riders who are trying to get to the Pentagon. While drivers can choose to go to different drop off locations without too much inconvenience, this is generally not the case for riders. Having the rider line consolidate certainly is an advantage for the drivers as many (understandably) do not want to go to the Pentagon. As a result when the driver comes up and sees a long line, they opt for Crystal City or Rosslyn, leaving riders who have to go to the Pentagon in a 30-40 deep line.

With the split lines, drivers and riders know exactly where the other is going without the yelling and anticipation. The wait time will be shortened for everyone involved as soon as the change settles in.

As for the bus ride, this is no different from the Potomac Mills lot. The bus runs on a schedule and if riders change their minds about slugging for the day, they should give themselves sufficient time to safely walk over to the bus stop and not dash out. This is never a good idea.

Everyone's patience is needed for this change. Change is always difficult but it will be good for all involved in the long run. Thank you for writing and voicing your concern.
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Seems like everyone is trying to make Horner a copy of Potomic Mills, whats going on now is unsafe at any speed. If you needed to split the line which I doubt it probably would have been better to put it at the other bus stop across from the current one - one line on one side - one line on the other.
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i guess i'm one of the many horner road riders/drivers who were not contacted about the split lines now in effect. i don't understand how one person can talk to a few and then change everything (unless we're dealing with the same person that's in charge of the pickup lines at the pentagon). if this effort is coordinated enough to put out fliers, construct/buy and put out wooden directional signs in the parking lot then it would certainly be possible to conduct a poll and let the riders and the drivers vote (instead of putting out fliers, first put out questionnaires). one of the best advantages of slugging is the flexibility that it provides--particularly so at the horner road lot. whether you're a driver or a rider you use to have choices and these choices made the line more efficient -- most of the time. my morning adventure takes me well beyond any of the available drop off points, consequently any metro stop will do. maybe my profile isn't the norm; nonetheless, this new approach doesn't seem well thought out.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JiggaJynx Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jan 2004 at 9:07am
Kehock, I have to agree. No one asked my opinion, either, but then I'm in the 5:55-6:15 group. Like you, any Metro stop will do for me, though I prefer Rosslyn. Since each commute has its own personality, I liked the option of studying the riders ahead of me in line before deciding whether to wait for my preferred destination or ride to another. The new setup eliminates that flexibility. A "stick" to slugger94 for making this uninformed change.
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I guess the question is, why not go back to the original lines. I also liked the flexibility of taking the first ride - like many "any metro stop will do" or could bail and take the bus if needed. Lets just go back to the norm. I think what we have here is poorly thought out and not as safe as it could be.
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I agree. I was not aware of any change taking palce and was fine how it was. I have not spoke to anyone who is better off. I wish we could just go back to how it was.

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[br]i guess i'm one of the many horner road riders/drivers who were not contacted about the split lines now in effect. i don't understand how one person can talk to a few and then change everything (unless we're dealing with the same person that's in charge of the pickup lines at the pentagon). if this effort is coordinated enough to put out fliers, construct/buy and put out wooden directional signs in the parking lot then it would certainly be possible to conduct a poll and let the riders and the drivers vote (instead of putting out fliers, first put out questionnaires). one of the best advantages of slugging is the flexibility that it provides--particularly so at the horner road lot. whether you're a driver or a rider you use to have choices and these choices made the line more efficient -- most of the time. my morning adventure takes me well beyond any of the available drop off points, consequently any metro stop will do. maybe my profile isn't the norm; nonetheless, this new approach doesn't seem well thought out.

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Why not go back the way it was, if one person can try and split the line into three why can't one person put it back to one? I say go back the way it was, put up some flyers at the bus stop and tell everyone to go back to the way it was.
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