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Hybrids are not part of the solution unless they carry more than one person. Until we learn that whatever our vehicles burn; gas, ethinol, bio-diesel, rice, small-furry animals, whatever, we do not succeed unless we maximize our vehicles' passenger capacity! In a perfect world I would support HOV-full lanes, where each seat in the car needed to be filled; four in a four seater, two in a two seater, eight in a club van, etc. One person per vehicle only works if you drive a unicycle!

How may seats are being wasted (empty) in your hybrid on the way home tonight? Strangely enough, I know that there are just that many very appreciative sluggers that would love to meet you!
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[br]Hybrids are not part of the solution unless they carry more than one person. Until we learn that whatever our vehicles burn; gas, ethinol, bio-diesel, rice, small-furry animals, whatever, we do not succeed unless we maximize our vehicles' passenger capacity! In a perfect world I would support HOV-full lanes, where each seat in the car needed to be filled; four in a four seater, two in a two seater, eight in a club van, etc. One person per vehicle only works if you drive a unicycle!

How may seats are being wasted (empty) in your hybrid on the way home tonight? Strangely enough, I know that there are just that many very appreciative sluggers that would love to meet you!


raymond, as I've said before, the logical extention to your assertation is for cars to be eliminated and replaced with buses. Have you ever taken a bus? Why aren't you taking one now?
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NoSUV,
I suggest you start moving in that direction by filling some of your hybrid's seats with people instead of hot air.
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[br]NoSUV,
I suggest you start moving in that direction by filling some of your hybrid's seats with people instead of hot air.


I think what you have to remember is that the majority of commuters probably prefer toll roads. Folks have complained about the high number of hybrids in the express lanes during commuting hours, and many posts have also pointed out that the fuel savings are insufficient on their own to compensate for the expense of purchasing the cars. Do you honestly think that hybrid owners are AGAINST tolls? Unless, of course, the exemption is extended.

Anyone play the lottery? That same sort of hope is also fueling the sentiment of the drivers in the regular lanes - they can just buy their way out of the congestion when they need to. But, alas, like the lottery, they probably have slim odds.

Add those regular drivers to hybrid owners and companies willing to pay their drivers to get more quickly from one place to another (that includes out of area businesses) and you have an insurmountable lobby wanting tolls.

It's too bad no one made an effort to break up part of that group by supporting extention of the hybrid exemption. You can bet that SOV hybrid owners are backing the tolls now!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MDC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Nov 2005 at 9:23pm
I thought you wanted to improve the traffic situation?
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A discriminator needs to be put on how to get cars from the regular lanes to the express lanes, and it's REALLY obvious that the current method, even with the hybrid exemption, doesn't work. Either we need more hybrids or we need tolls.
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Wrong again, NoSUV. We do not need to "get cars from the regular lanes to the express lanes." Instead, we need to REDUCE the number of vehicles overall. Spreading the same number of cars from one set of highway lanes to another does nothing to relieve exit and secondary road traffic, nor does it reduce pollution, nor does it reduce traffic in any way.

Yet again we will lay out for you the elementary principle that MORE CARS = MORE CONGESTION regardless of the number of lanes, while FEWER CARS = LESS CONGESTION regardless of the number of lanes. So how do you incent FEWER CARS? By promising quicker trips on the uncongested HOV lanes.

Parked cars do not add to congestion. SOV's on the highway, in any lane, do.

Of the hundreds who read the posts here, not one agrees with you that we need to provide SOV access to the HOV lanes.

Does that tell you anything? That you alone believe something? And please don't just repeat your argument: we do understand it.
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Sponge, your equation does not reflect all of the variables. Your assumption is that the number of roads is a constant. HOT proponents are willing to build more roads. So the number of lanes becomes the critical part of the argument.

If NO cars were allowed in the express lanes, would the congestion be better or worse? If only 1 car (yours) was allowed in the express lanes, how's the congestion now? For the majority, you might say it sucks, but you would say the congestion isn't a problem. Keep adding a few cars at a time to those express lanes, and eventually you'll get the idea.
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NoSUV,
Unless you are a salesman or a consultant and need your car for work, why drive to work? Even if your employer offers you a free parking space the wear and tear on your car to drive everyday just doesn’t make sense. How much does the insurance company charge to drive a hybrid 100 miles a day? Statistically speaking you’re a much greater risk to them since you have more exposure on the road.

The more you talk NoSUV, the more you sound like a Fluor employee or contractor. Your arguments on their face make no sense; therefore, you must have ulterior motives. At best you’re a selfish human being.

Hybrid because you want to stockpile fuel inventories, HOV because you want to stockpile fuel inventories, save the roads, and get to work and home faster!

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Congrats HOV3Slug, you've finally realized NoSUV has a firm (if unfounded) opinion and agenda. You can't argue with a sick mind!

Urban planners, traffic management, politicians, special interests, the media, and the vast majority of commuters agree that that the answer to our congestion, pollution and fuel consumption problems is to reduce the number of vehicles on the road. Carpooling, HOV lanes, slugging, and mass transit all achieve this. The hybrid exemption does not.

Auto manufacturers and petro fuel production companies may cite other options (including hybrid/HOV exemptions), but they usually serve their own interests.

Hybrid owners are caught in the middle; they want to do something to improve the situation but don't understand the big picture. Enter effective marketing promoting hybrids as a "green" alternative with feel-good messaging, that pushes lots of buttons. People buy hybrids; then, when they realize the true insignificance of their effort, buyers regret sets in. Oppps!

NoSUV, however, clings to the commitment with too much zeel to be a mere misstepping consumer. I agree that there is an agenda here; political, business, I don't know which, but definitely not your average commuter.

Which brings me to a question: If NoSUV does not participate in slugging, what business does NoSUV have in this forum? Hmmmmm.
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