Security Alert for Fredericksburg - Pentagon Slugs
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Topic: Security Alert for Fredericksburg - Pentagon Slugs
Posted By: Admin
Subject: Security Alert for Fredericksburg - Pentagon Slugs
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2004 at 12:47pm
The following information was provided by a fellow slug:
Employees En Route to Pentagon: The SOURCE utilized the "Slug Lines" (public car pool lines) from the Gordon Road/Route 3 Fredericksburg, VA lot to Rosslyn, Arlington, VA. On approximately four occasions, SOURCE picked up a Middle Eastern male described as approximately 35-45 years old, 5'6" to 5'10" in height, 160-190 lbs., dark brown hair with a small amount of gray and wearing business attire. The unknown male utilized the slug line from Fredericksburg, VA to the Pentagon. During the commute, the unknown male asked SOURCE and other DoD employees very specific questions concerning their jobs. The unknown male asked: What he did when he was on Active Duty, Where they work, Who they work for, What level clearance they work with. SOURCE became suspicious and asked the unknown male why he needed all the information. He became quiet and smiled, then began asking another individual in the car a similar line of questioning. The female stated she worked for the Secretary of Defense and the unknown male seemed to be very interested and asked additional questions. At one point, the unknown male stated he was seeking an upper management position in the government, either GS-14/15. Under the guise to obtain the unknown male's personal information, SOURCE told him to give him his resume and he would see what he could do. The unknown male stated he did not have a resume; however, he could give him his e-mail address and possible send him the resume at that time. He provided a listed e-mail address and SOURCE gave him his business card. SOURCE stated he believed the unknown male was an employee of the Pentagon since he dropped the unknown male off at the Pentagon slug lot. However, he was not able to confirm this information. A query on the e-mail address provided by the unknown male returned negative results indicating an invalid e-mail address. (FORSCOM Daily CONUS Threat Update 27 July 04)
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Posted By: vabigblue
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2004 at 4:11pm
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I second that Admin. These may be the observations we need to attend to on a priority basis. If anyone observes suspicious activity or persons, please contact your agency/firm security officer or the FBI.
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Posted By: Subaru
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2004 at 7:20am
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Im gonna have to go with the Admin on this one and say that this needed to be shared. It makes us all a bit more aware.
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Posted By: chinquapin
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2004 at 8:02am
Got to agree with Admin on this one. Most of the threat information we receive around here is so general as to be useless. If we can refine it down to specifics, it makes us all more informed, and more prepared.
This highlights our inefficient formal system for passing information. Apparently FORSCOM deems this important enough to post an official threat notification, so why aren't we (slug line users) hearing about it through local official channels? Personally, I believe Admin has done us a great service by providing the information to the folks who are most likely to be affected.
BTW, Cat, I believe "SOURCE" is the good guy.
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Posted By: mirangus
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2004 at 11:21am
quote:
Originally posted by cathugg
[br]Nice going Admin.
This information is FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY.
Posting this detailed info has put the driver and his riders in possible jeopardy if it turns out the SOURCE is really a bad guy and recognizes himself from this report.
Not only that, but now the SOURCE knows we are wise to him and he probably will not be caught.
A simple warning to not divulge detailed info about what you do, who you work for, etc. would have been a sufficient warning.
May I suggest you delete this posting?
Thanks,
cathugg
Nice going, cathugg. I think you need to go back and read through your DoD regulations on security and classification markings before you pipe in on this page like you know something.
From DoD 5400-7R (http://web7.whs.osd.mil/html/54007r.htm) Chapter 4, here is the definition of FOUO:
"C4.1.1. General. Information that has not been given a security classification pursuant to the criteria of an Executive Order, but which may be withheld from the public because disclosure would cause a foreseeable harm to an interest protected by one or more FOIA Exemptions 2 through 9 (see Chapter C3.) shall be considered as being for official use only (FOUO). No other material shall be considered FOUO and FOUO is not authorized as an anemic form of classification to protect national security interests. Additional information on FOUO and other controlled, unclassified information may be found in reference (g) or by contacting the Directorate for Security, Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense (Command, Control, Communications and Intelligence).
What this means is that only material that falls under exemptions 2-9 in the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) are considered FOUO. No other material can receive the FOUO markings."
The material admin posted does NOT fall under any of those eight exceptions and, therefore, is NOT FOUO material.
Also, I don't really think that SOURCE would run to Pentagon officials and turn himself in as a suspicious character, do you? I think he was just a "source" of information, ergo, SOURCE.
May I suggest that you get your facts straight (and THINK before you post) before calling someone on the carpet for trying his damnedest to help us travel safely to work?
I'd like to thank admin for posting that message. It's one thing to be told to look out for the bad guys, it's another to actually know what you are trying to recognize and avoid.
Hats off to you.
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Posted By: Admin
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2004 at 8:44pm
Posted By: glacier
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2004 at 11:15am
Cathugg,
Please take a long look at your post and the original ADMIN post and then ponder this: If you were to look up the word bureaucrat in the dictionary, would you see a picture of yourself.
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Posted By: MoodyGirl
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2004 at 1:26pm
N/A (Formerly known as Cathugg),
I for one, appreciate Admin making us aware of this person.
Anyone who has ever been to a Counterespionage Brief, logged on to the Homeland Security website, watched the news or has the least little bit of common sense knows that you should "Always Be Aware of Your Surroundings".
As far as I am concerned, this is no different than if a driver/slug was using the slug system as a way to do harm to one of us. If this was the case, I am sure that you would not object to someone putting a warning on the website. Would you?
I realize that you probably felt very important using all of your technical terms and to scold Admin. However, you made yourself look like an idiot. I am sure you already know that-hence the name change!
Admin, Thanks for reminding us that we need to stay on our toes.
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Posted By: ronin718
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2004 at 1:49pm
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Okay, folks, let's stop beating up on Cathugg. Yes, he/she came down a little hard on Admin. However, speaking as a former security official, I can say she made some valid points. My own experience and research suggests Cathugg's concerns are valid. Since Admin was quoting from another source, we don't know if the info received by that source was labled FOUO. We also don't know what level the original document this information came from may be protected at. Perhaps once we can answer these questions, then we can truly determine whether Cathugg went overboard on the reaction.
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Posted By: mirangus
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2004 at 4:01pm
quote:
Originally posted by ronin718
[br]Okay, folks, let's stop beating up on Cathugg. Yes, he/she came down a little hard on Admin. However, speaking as a former security official, I can say she made some valid points. My own experience and research suggests Cathugg's concerns are valid. Since Admin was quoting from another source, we don't know if the info received by that source was labled FOUO. We also don't know what level the original document this information came from may be protected at. Perhaps once we can answer these questions, then we can truly determine whether Cathugg went overboard on the reaction.
Not trying to beat a dead horse, but see my post above. I eat, sleep and breath this stuff. Trust me, cathugg went overboard. It's unfair when people put ignorant and uninformed posts up here to down on others that are out here trying to do some good. Especially when they are wrong. Now if you're right, that is a completely different story....
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Posted By: Admin
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2004 at 9:55pm
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Okay everyone. Let's put this one to bed. I was just trying to keep everyone aware of potential threats but I'll be careful not to post too much information...
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Posted By: MoodyGirl
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2004 at 7:53am
This is a paragraph from Secretary Ridge's press conference this weekend. Please note the last two sentences.
Since September 11th, 2001, leaders of our commercial financial institutions have demonstrated exceptional leadership in improving its security. However, in light of new intelligence information, we have made the decision to raise the threat level for this sector, in these communities, to bring protective resources to their highest capacity. This will allow us to increase protection in and around those buildings that require it and also raise awareness for employees, residents, customers and visitors. We know from experience that increased physical protection and added vigilance from citizens can thwart a terrorist attack. And that is our goal.
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Posted By: dkerley
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2004 at 2:31pm
quote:
Originally posted by MoodyGirl
[br]This is a paragraph from Secretary Ridge's press conference this weekend. Please note the last two sentences.
Since September 11th, 2001, leaders of our commercial financial institutions have demonstrated exceptional leadership in improving its security. However, in light of new intelligence information, we have made the decision to raise the threat level for this sector, in these communities, to bring protective resources to their highest capacity. This will allow us to increase protection in and around those buildings that require it and also raise awareness for employees, residents, customers and visitors. We know from experience that increased physical protection and added vigilance from citizens can thwart a terrorist attack. And that is our goal.
Thanks for passing this information along, Admnin! And Moodygirl, I couldn't agree with you more.[;)]
Dina
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Posted By: starry1
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2004 at 3:55pm
Thank you for reporting this. I had a similar experience before I stopped slugging to/from the Pentagon about 2.5 years ago. In February of 2002 I rode with a middle eastern man twice from Tackett's to the Pentagon. The first time I rode with him he seemed very nervous and was overly friendly in compensation, but otherwise harmless.
The second time I rode with him (which happened to be in the same week) he deliberately singled me out of the slugg line for a ride. About halfway to the Pentagon he asked me how did I like working at the Pentagon and how long I had been there. When I informed him I did not work at the Pentagon, I merely took the Metro from that location and the second slugg reported the same thing he became very irate and grabbed his cell phone and made a call to someone he spent a good 10 minutes "cussing" at in Arabic. Instead of taking us into the Pentagon area, he asked us to get out at the bottom of the ramp.
I ran over to the soldier who was stationed under the bridge and pointed out the car to him, while the guy who rode with me made a note of the driver's tags. We both spent about 45 minutes reporting what happened to an officer (Marine I think), but I never heard anything after that. Fortunately, I got a new job shortly after that and started slugging from Old Hechinger down 14th. It was a very scary experience, and I'm sorry that I never thought to share it here, but we did out best to report it.
"I started out with nothing and I still have most of it."
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Posted By: GeeseAreGood
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2004 at 3:02pm
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Lets be careful with all middle easterners. They could be bad.
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Posted By: glacier
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2004 at 9:09am
They sure are, I never trust anyone from the mid-atlantic region.
Cheers,
Glacier
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Posted By: Stuck2
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2004 at 9:16am
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That's not fair to the middle easterners who have immigrated here for other reasons (my great uncle was one of them - Lebanese). Let's just say let's not trust people who get to nosy about your job, etc. Remember Oklahoma was done by two white guys.
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Posted By: glacier
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2004 at 10:08am
That would be two European- Americans
Cheers,
Glacier
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Posted By: Stuck2
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2004 at 10:27am
quote:
Originally posted by glacier
[br]That would be two European- Americans
Cheers,
Glacier
It doesn't matter where they came from originally, they were American and they were of caucasian descent. To classify one group of people as being potentially "bad" is wrong and a lot of other things.
It's just sensible to keep personal details to yourself. And if you by chance run into someone like the person that prompted this warning, mum's the word and inform the proper authorities ASAP.
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Posted By: glacier
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2004 at 11:02am
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You mean I shouldn't disparage those of mid-atlantic region descent?
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Posted By: Uhura
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2004 at 11:57am
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Originally posted by GeeseAreGood
[br]Lets be careful with all middle easterners. They could be bad.
We should probably also be careful with Blacks -They could be bad as well. Sometimes Hispanics look middle easternish-so watch out for those people too. Asians are crafty as well...
Wow-that only leaves WHITE PEOPLE above the eye of suspicion.
But wait-Wasn't Tim McVeigh WHITE???
Live Long and Prosper
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Posted By: glacier
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2004 at 12:58pm
Uhura,
You failed to mention Asians, South Americans, Pacific Islanders, and others. Please watch the discrimination in the future. Try to be inclusive of all.
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Posted By: ronin718
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2004 at 2:27pm
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Make sure you watch out for those who walk on one leg, two legs, three legs, four legs. Then there are the crawlers, scoochers, rollers, coasters, riders.... Oh, nuts, there are just too many to cover. Maybe I need to just stay home in bed. [8D]
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Posted By: glacier
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2004 at 9:26am
Ronin,
Thanks for adding those I forgot.
Cheers,
Glacier
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Posted By: ronin718
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2004 at 11:59am
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Always happy to exercise my sarcastic humor!!! Especially when things are getting so PC.
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Posted By: glacier
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2004 at 11:34am
Uh Ronin,
Telling people their PC is NOT, repeat NOT PC. You may upset those actually being PC and that would be some form of something bad.
Cheers,
Glacier
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Posted By: ronin718
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2004 at 1:46pm
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Yes, that may be true, but the emperor is still naked... [8D]
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