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Topic: "Slugs clog evening rush-hour traffic???"
Posted By: shahedC
Subject: "Slugs clog evening rush-hour traffic???"
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2005 at 9:50am
From an anonymouse reader on the Post website... does this person know what he/she is talking about? LOL


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53970-2005Jan6.html

Anonymous: The Post article mentioned "slugs" -- folks who line up at arranged points for a free ride in the HOV lanes. Some people seem to think slugs are more deserving of the HOV lanes than hybrid owners who pay a premium to invest in clean, fuel-efficient transportation.

They couldn't be more wrong. Slugs do about as much good for traffic congestion as their counterparts do for vegetable gardens.

Slugs clog evening rush-hour traffic. Every other block of 14th Street has a slug line; each one stops traffic, compounding vehicle air pollution. Slug lines also pose a safety hazard because drivers who aren't picking up slugs try to change lanes in the middle of heavy traffic.

If Virginia is serious about reducing air pollution and encouraging fuel efficiency, it will continue to allow hybrids on the HOV lanes.

Higher fines and more enforcement against HOV cheaters (who far outnumber hybrid owners), will keep HOV lanes moving. Don't punish environmentally friendly hybrid owners.

Joan Morris: Let's agree to disagree. VDOT loves slugs - everyone that slugs is helping reduce congestion as well as air pollution. Violators continue to be a problem and the crackdown continues and has been somewhat successful - we still have a way to go.



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Posted By: miltrade
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2005 at 11:10am
The HOV lanes were designed and are intended to REDUCE TRAFFIC CONGESTION BY REDUCING THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES ON THE ROAD. Not to clean up the environment and encouraging more people to clog up the roads by driving alone in their hybrids, thereby causing MORE traffic and delays. If you were such an environmentalist, why don't you pick up slugs in your precious little hybrid?? For that matter, ANY hybrid driver that doesn't have slugs in their car is a hypocrite because they aren't concerned about the added pollution that at least two other cars will cause.


Posted By: shahedC
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2005 at 11:23am
miltrade... why such anger.. I copied/pasted something I found on the Post website... that wasn't my own post!


Posted By: KCWolfPck
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2005 at 12:44pm
I suspect that we will hear more and more whining from hybrid owners as the expiration date of their exemption grows nearer by the day. They all knew (at least most did) when they bought their hybrid that they would be relegated back to the main lanes next year.

To all you hybrid owners.....stop whining!! Either start carpooling, vanpooling, or slugging if you want to use the HOV like the rest of us. Sheesh....most of you hydrid owners act like this came out of nowhere and your getting the shaft. You knew when you bought it.....blah blah blah!


Posted By: USA
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2005 at 3:23pm
There is some validity to the idea that the slug lines CAN cause problems in DC. Not that they ALWAYS do, just that they CAN. I've seen people pull up at 14th & Constitution, then, when there's nobody waiting for their destination, they put on the flashers and want to stay there. I don't think that's appropriate at all. That lane is a thru lane for traffic during rush hour and there is no bus pull-off to get you out of the traffic lane. It's one thing to stop briefly to pick people up. It's quite another to sit there for an extended period blocking the lane just because you're hoping a rider will come. The more appropriate thing to do is to go around the block (easy to do at 14th & Constitution, too).


Posted By: Luvmyhybrid
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2005 at 3:30pm
quote:
Originally posted by KCWolfPck
[br]I suspect that we will hear more and more whining from hybrid owners as the expiration date of their exemption grows nearer by the day. They all knew (at least most did) when they bought their hybrid that they would be relegated back to the main lanes next year.

To all you hybrid owners.....stop whining!! Either start carpooling, vanpooling, or slugging if you want to use the HOV like the rest of us. Sheesh....most of you hydrid owners act like this came out of nowhere and your getting the shaft. You knew when you bought it.....blah blah blah!





Wow -- as hybrid owners, we've never once WHINED about HOV useage, so please don't generalize. The whining I've read on this site usually comes from those commuters who don't own a Hybrid, and for some reason think they're getting the shaft. If you don't like the laws, then for tell your representatives.


Posted By: mroyal
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2005 at 10:13am
The answer is obvious. HOV (Hybrid Only Vehicle) lanes should be restricted to vehicles with Clean Fuel plates and 3 persons. That should solve the congestion problem for a while.


Kindest Regards,

mroyal


Posted By: MDC
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2005 at 10:26am
lmh,
Of course you've never whined about using HOV lanes. BTW, most of the idiotic posts here (see above) come from hybrid drivers.


Posted By: KCWolfPck
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2005 at 10:27am
quote:
Originally posted by Luvmyhybrid
[br]
quote:
Originally posted by KCWolfPck
[br]I suspect that we will hear more and more whining from hybrid owners as the expiration date of their exemption grows nearer by the day. They all knew (at least most did) when they bought their hybrid that they would be relegated back to the main lanes next year.

To all you hybrid owners.....stop whining!! Either start carpooling, vanpooling, or slugging if you want to use the HOV like the rest of us. Sheesh....most of you hydrid owners act like this came out of nowhere and your getting the shaft. You knew when you bought it.....blah blah blah!





Wow -- as hybrid owners, we've never once WHINED about HOV useage, so please don't generalize. The whining I've read on this site usually comes from those commuters who don't own a Hybrid, and for some reason think they're getting the shaft. If you don't like the laws, then for tell your representatives.



I'm not referring to the whining of HOV use, I am referring to the whining of the hybrid owners about the soon to come expiration of their exemption. Don't even try to tell me no hybrids owners whine about that!!!


Posted By: Luvmyhybrid
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2005 at 11:04am
quote:
Originally posted by KCWolfPck
[br]
quote:
Originally posted by Luvmyhybrid
[br]
quote:
Originally posted by KCWolfPck
[br]I suspect that we will hear more and more whining from hybrid owners as the expiration date of their exemption grows nearer by the day. They all knew (at least most did) when they bought their hybrid that they would be relegated back to the main lanes next year.

To all you hybrid owners.....stop whining!! Either start carpooling, vanpooling, or slugging if you want to use the HOV like the rest of us. Sheesh....most of you hydrid owners act like this came out of nowhere and your getting the shaft. You knew when you bought it.....blah blah blah!





Wow -- as hybrid owners, we've never once WHINED about HOV useage, so please don't generalize. The whining I've read on this site usually comes from those commuters who don't own a Hybrid, and for some reason think they're getting the shaft. If you don't like the laws, then for tell your representatives.



I'm not referring to the whining of HOV use, I am referring to the whining of the hybrid owners about the soon to come expiration of their exemption. Don't even try to tell me no hybrids owners whine about that!!!



Once again, you're generalizing....I am a Hybrid owner, and I don't whine about the expiration one oodle! I don't get caught up in the expiration because you know, it just really doesn't bug me all that much. What will be will be -- and it would be nice if others (maybe you?) would quit trying to put a wedge in-between commuters. We're all in this together. The law is the law...the only ones at this point BREAKING the laws are the single driver violators (not SOV's in Hybrids because it is currently OK in today's law)...if it changes then SOV's will adjust, just like they have in the past. Get over it, get on with driving courteously, and we'll all be happier commuters.


Posted By: N_or_S_bound
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2005 at 11:29am
One area that's not been mentioned is the difference between what is legally acceptable and ethically correct when it comes to hybrids.

Ok, a confession (for many of you it will be a most heinous one), but I'm a hunter. In becoming a hunter, I attended a 2 day hunting safety course. They talk ALOT about ethics in the class. One scenario: Alaska, big game, two visiting hunters, completely LEGAL hunting situation.

The big game were outside the city limits in a LEGAL hunting area. The big game were grazing in an area that tourists/townspeople could go out and observe them. The animals had become somewhat immune to human threats. It was like a zoo with no gates/cages/bars/fences.

The two hunters walk out and shoot two of the critters. Completely LEGAL, ethically WRONG.

Hybrids - may be legally able to ride as SOVs on the HOV, but ethically wrong in light of the increased congestion, sparse parking, desire to reduce emissions, etc.

If it is true, as some state on this forum, that it's the law/exemption that allows them that legal exemption, then it's not necessarily the "right" thing to do. I like the idea of "clean fuels" (which these vehicles aren't) and "alternative fuels" (which these vehicles aren't using at 65mph speeds). I've thought since the 70s that we should be reducing our dependence on "foreign oil" (big oil is more correct, but not PC), we haven't.

Hybrid drivers! You want to be both legal AND ethical? Pick up enough riders to do the things you claim that CF vehicles are created to do.

'nuf sed,

NoSb

SOV because you can, HOV because you care!


Posted By: carleric
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2005 at 11:55am
Bravo, NoSB. Well said. (well, the HOV stuff anyway. the hunting I'll choose to leave alone) :)


Posted By: 122582
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2005 at 12:20pm
Congestion is mostly due to poorly planned pick up points.

Yesterday, Pentagon, no one in 610 lines, all others full. Took me 10 minutes to get close enough to get the attention of the lead slug in the RT 3 line.


Posted By: KCWolfPck
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2005 at 12:39pm
quote:
Originally posted by Luvmyhybrid
[br]
quote:
Originally posted by KCWolfPck
[br]
quote:
Originally posted by Luvmyhybrid
[br]
quote:
Originally posted by KCWolfPck
[br]I suspect that we will hear more and more whining from hybrid owners as the expiration date of their exemption grows nearer by the day. They all knew (at least most did) when they bought their hybrid that they would be relegated back to the main lanes next year.

To all you hybrid owners.....stop whining!! Either start carpooling, vanpooling, or slugging if you want to use the HOV like the rest of us. Sheesh....most of you hydrid owners act like this came out of nowhere and your getting the shaft. You knew when you bought it.....blah blah blah!





Wow -- as hybrid owners, we've never once WHINED about HOV useage, so please don't generalize. The whining I've read on this site usually comes from those commuters who don't own a Hybrid, and for some reason think they're getting the shaft. If you don't like the laws, then for tell your representatives.



I'm not referring to the whining of HOV use, I am referring to the whining of the hybrid owners about the soon to come expiration of their exemption. Don't even try to tell me no hybrids owners whine about that!!!



Once again, you're generalizing....I am a Hybrid owner, and I don't whine about the expiration one oodle!


Well, if the statement doesn't apply to you....then ignore it. It's that simple. Obviously, I didn't say that ALL hybrid owners whine. If I did....please let me know and I will correct myself. However, most that post here do and seem to come here for that very reason.[xx(]


Posted By: Luvmyhybrid
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2005 at 12:58pm
"Don't even try to tell me no hybrids owners whine about that!!!"

Nuff said.


Posted By: KCWolfPck
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2005 at 1:55pm
quote:
Originally posted by Luvmyhybrid
[br]"Don't even try to tell me no hybrids owners whine about that!!!"

Nuff said.




How you come to the conclusion that my quoted statement above infers that ALL hybrid owners whine about losing their exemption soon is beyond me. However, I do agree with you on one point.....Nuff said.


Posted By: MDC
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2005 at 3:22pm
I'll stand by my post that most of the idiot posters here are hybrid drivers :D


Posted By: Luvmyhybrid
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2005 at 3:57pm
Hey hey hey -- while I agree posters on this site can agree to disagree, I for one am a bit offended when the name calling starts. We teach our children that kind of behavior isn't appropriate nor necessary, and we, as adults should follow the same rule. I am not an idiot...whether I drive a Hybrid or not.



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