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Topic: HOV signs and plates
Posted By: marsy
Subject: HOV signs and plates
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2005 at 11:44am
Hi there,

I'm doing some research on hybrids on HOV lanes and was wondering whether anyone knows/has images of Virgina's highway signs demarcating hybrid use on HOV lanes. Specifically, I would like to know what the symbol is, if there is one, and where it is placed on the highway signs. Also, supplementary to that, if anyone has pictures of the specialized license plates issued.. that would be of great help also. Cheers.



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Posted By: MDC
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2005 at 10:43pm
There aren't any signs that mention hybrids, since hybrids don't qualify just because they are hybrids. They only qualify once they have the "Clean Special Fuel" plates installed. Any hybrids with other plates, must have 3 people inside or they are breaking the law.


Posted By: Bob
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2005 at 8:39am

Below is a link to an image of the VA clean fuel plate. Poor design because from a distance it is not very distinguishable.



http://www.dmv.virginia.gov/exec/vehicle/splates/info.asp?idnm=CF


Posted By: marsy
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2005 at 9:26am
Bob, thank you very much for the link. It is of great help.

I think I didn't make myself really clear in my original posting. I apologize for that.
I guess what I am asking is whether Virginia has any highway signs which clearly state that low-emission vehicles are allowed to use the HOV lane, regardless of the number of occupants in the vehicles. I found a sign in a manual produced by the US Dept of Transportation.. http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/pdfs/2003/Ch2B.pdf
(refer to figure r3-10b). Can anyone confirm whether these are the signs displayed in Virginia's HOV lanes? Thanks again everyone!


Posted By: VA4ver
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2005 at 11:39am
The signs just state HOV-3 and Motorcycles.


Posted By: Bob
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2005 at 11:52am
Correct. And one reason Virginia probably didn't say anything on the signs, was that up until this year, VA was in violation of federal rules in allowing hybrids/other clean fuels. With the new transportation bill, states are now allowed give this exemption. Of course by the time all this was cleared up, our HOV is/will be soon jammed with hybrids. So thats the story as I know it.


Posted By: NoSUV
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2005 at 2:38pm
Except our HOV/Express lanes are not jammed with hybrids. By VDOT's count, they make up about 1/5 - about the same number as cheaters.


Posted By: Wagonman
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2005 at 2:42pm
quote:
Originally posted by marsy
[br]Bob, thank you very much for the link. It is of great help.

I guess what I am asking is whether Virginia has any highway signs which clearly state that low-emission vehicles are allowed to use the HOV lane, regardless of the number of occupants in the vehicles.


It's not based on low emissions. If it were some of the hybrids currently given "clean special fuel" plates wouldn't be allowed in there.


Posted By: MDC
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2005 at 7:58pm
NoSUV,
You're getting ridiculous again. 99% of the cheaters are in the windows near the open/close of the restrictions. The rest of the time, Hybrids make up much more than 1/5th of the traffic and you know it.

Actually, outside the windows mentioned, most of the cheaters are driving hybrids.


Posted By: NoSUV
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2005 at 7:50am
MDC - what you say is not so, nor based on VDOT's facts as reported out earlier this year.


Posted By: N_or_S_bound
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2005 at 7:55am
Saw a cheater this morning driving a hybrid. He didn't have CF plates on his vehicle. Don't know why, but that REALLY torqued me. I can accept hybrids who go through the legal option to obtain the CF plates, but this other....argh.

Ok, so it's no worse than a conventional vehicle cheating, but I'm allowed my little excursions in venting occasionally, right?

NoSb

SOV because you can, HOV because you care!


Posted By: Wagonman
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2005 at 8:42am
quote:
Originally posted by NoSUV
[br]MDC - what you say is not so, nor based on VDOT's facts as reported out earlier this year.


How many hybrids have been sold in this area since those numbers were created? Most people would consider 20% a lot. MDC is exactly correct in his statement and it is supported by the VDOT report. Most of the cheaters are at the beginning and end of the HOV times. Most hybrids are right in the middle of the HOV period.


Posted By: NoSUV
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2005 at 10:54am
quote:
Originally posted by Wagonman
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quote:
Originally posted by NoSUV
[br]MDC - what you say is not so, nor based on VDOT's facts as reported out earlier this year.


How many hybrids have been sold in this area since those numbers were created? Most people would consider 20% a lot. MDC is exactly correct in his statement and it is supported by the VDOT report. Most of the cheaters are at the beginning and end of the HOV times. Most hybrids are right in the middle of the HOV period.


Wagonman, MDC: Recommend you re-read the VDOT report. By the way, which lanes on the average move faster during the resticted times, Express (HOV) or regular? Do you have a clue?


Posted By: SpongeBob
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2005 at 9:17am
1 out of 5 is a hybrid, and NoSUV says that isn't a lot? Leaving aside the fact that hybrids have continued to be sold since those numbers were published last December (and collected well before then, in fact,) 20% of all traffic is more than sufficient to clog the lanes.

Besides, as anyone who has read the report could tell you, VDOT's "study" betrayed a fundamental unfamiliarity with the day-to-day reality of the HOV lanes on I95. For one thing, it is never made clear if they are talking about 95 alone, or about 95 and 66 combined.

Their numbers would be less subject to questioning if the raw data on a day-by-day and hour-by-hour basis were included in the report, at least as an appendix.

BUT WHO FREAKING CARES!!!!

One week from today the vote will be taken that will eliminate HOV forever from I95. And the newspapers have done NOTHING to cover the issue.


Posted By: Wagonman
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2005 at 2:17pm
quote:
Originally posted by NoSUV

Wagonman, MDC: Recommend you re-read the VDOT report. By the way, which lanes on the average move faster during the resticted times, Express (HOV) or regular? Do you have a clue?


Page 53 of 88 of the report. The first 30 minutes of the HOV time shows almost 60% cheaters and 2 % hybrids(clean fuel).


Posted By: CallmeMrSlug
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2005 at 2:32pm
Spongebob makes a great point. It is very important to all in the slugging community that we show up for the September 21st HOT meeting. Its not important that we show up to all speak, but to show our strength is in our numbers and the interest of preserving a free HOV. So you, come, bring your wife, your children, neighbors, anyone you can for this is our LAST chance to make our stand...


Posted By: beachhead
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2005 at 2:49pm
I'd take my children to the meeting but qorc would object because they are not really "commuters."


Posted By: bnvus
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2005 at 4:01pm
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Posted By: Paladin
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2005 at 4:13pm
quote:
Originally posted by NoSUV
[br]Except our HOV/Express lanes are not jammed with hybrids. By VDOT's count, they make up about 1/5 - about the same number as cheaters.


Not jammed? Says you.

I've had several days when I have seen 6-10 Hybrids around me (all single driver). And explain to me how have 30-40% of the current vehicle total off the road is going to hurt the stop and go traffic I was in yesterday all the way from occoquan to King Street?

Yeah, we need to have draconian measures to deal with violators and no hybrid exemption.


Posted By: HOV3Slug
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2005 at 6:39pm
With gas at $3 a gallon folks are buying hybrids left and right. You think things are bad now, just wait. Yes, single rider hybrids have diminished the performance of the HOV lanes. Lift the exemption for them now so the rest of us can get to and from work at the posted speed limit of 65+ MPH. Getting three riders in those hybrid cars will get that many more other cars off the road too.

We also need our fellow slugs in those hybrid cars too. When the driver is doing only 60 MPH the slugs (they can be a tag team) can tell the driver to move his/her hybrid ass.[:D]


Posted By: NoSUV
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2005 at 7:30am
Actually, it's the pickups and SUVs that are driving more slowly now with the gas prices so high - it's rare that it's a hybrid slowing down traffic. Also, have yet to see an accident in the express lanes involving a hybrid. What's up with that?

And still, express lanes move much faster than regular lanes. Every day. With SOV hybrids. Obviously not enough of 'em to change the balance.


Posted By: HOV3Slug
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2005 at 8:05am
NoSUV,
I would not and I do not rely on VDOTís information when it contradicts what I experience. The reason this and other web sites like it exist is because VDOT is a bunch of idiots from Richmond who could give a rat's ass about us. When they tried to get us to go to HOV-2 and used a film of the HOV lanes being underutilized the date on the film was June 29. Days before July 4, heck the regular lanes were probably wide open.

Just out of morbid curiosity, do you think the current exemption for single rider hybrids should be renewed or do you think hybrids should start picking up two other riders?


Posted By: Bob
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2005 at 8:10am
Yes, hybrid sales have skyrocketed and we are in for another big surge of hybrids. It seems like the growh had leveled off slightly (in terms of seeing dealer plates anyway), but with the high gas prices we will see a big impact next year. But --do I have confidence that the powers that be are monitoring the growth or do I think that they will let them completely jam the HOV lane before they finally kick them out?

Also, we need to end any and all tax incentives for cars that are selling like hotcakes. Why are we subsidizing these things when 90 percent of owners are no doubt pulling down 100K? The subsidies were to get things started. They should end.


Posted By: wmcg
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2005 at 11:00am
quote:
Originally posted by Bob
[br]Yes, hybrid sales have skyrocketed and we are in for another big surge of hybrids. It seems like the growh had leveled off slightly (in terms of seeing dealer plates anyway), but with the high gas prices we will see a big impact next year. But --do I have confidence that the powers that be are monitoring the growth or do I think that they will let them completely jam the HOV lane before they finally kick them out?

Also, we need to end any and all tax incentives for cars that are selling like hotcakes. Why are we subsidizing these things when 90 percent of owners are no doubt pulling down 100K? The subsidies were to get things started. They should end.



Posted By: wmcg
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2005 at 11:03am
quote:
Originally posted by wmcg
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quote:
Originally posted by Bob
[br]Yes, hybrid sales have skyrocketed and we are in for another big surge of hybrids. It seems like the growh had leveled off slightly (in terms of seeing dealer plates anyway), but with the high gas prices we will see a big impact next year. But --do I have confidence that the powers that be are monitoring the growth or do I think that they will let them completely jam the HOV lane before they finally kick them out?

Also, we need to end any and all tax incentives for cars that are selling like hotcakes. Why are we subsidizing these things when 90 percent of owners are no doubt pulling down 100K? The subsidies were to get things started. They should end.



In this mornings Detroit News (www.detroitnews.com) there is an article regarding Hybrids and presents facts that explain why they are NOT particularly good deals financially. Good reading for those of us who dislike the ugly little suckers.


Posted By: MDC
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2005 at 3:55pm
Everyone should already be aware that you lose money big-time when you buy a hybrid. Money that you can't make up by gas savings or incentives. All there is left, is the "coolness"/"environmental" factor, and the HOV exemption.



Posted By: JKnight
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2005 at 4:17pm
I took a look at your Clean Air plates and all I can say is, "Man, are you guys lucky!" Here in SoCal we have to put FOUR stickers on the car on front, back, right and left, and they are uuugggly!

BTW, California limits hybrid use to certain fuel efficient/low polluting hybrids only, has a "soft cap" of 50,000 permits (pending review by the Highway Patrol and DoT) and a "hard cap" of 75,000 over the entire state, and the program ends on 1-1-2007 unless extended before then.

Jan



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