Jeff Frederick on Hypbrid Exemption
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Topic: Jeff Frederick on Hypbrid Exemption
Posted By: PopQuiz800
Subject: Jeff Frederick on Hypbrid Exemption
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2005 at 10:07am
I was attending the Newport Estates Homeowners Association meeting last Wednesday, when the topic of the hybrid exemption came up.
Both candidates for the 52nd District House of Delegates were there. In response to a question about repealing the hybrid exemption was raised. Jeff Frederick, the current delegate, responded by saying "I will not support any outright repeal of the hybrid exemption," and then saying he would look at grandfathering in the current hybrids.
Interesting.
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Posted By: NoSUV
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2005 at 3:33pm
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Sort of matches what I've found from the 6 candidates I've emailed and interviewes. All say they support the hybrid exemption - I've yet to find any candidate against it. Anyone know of one?
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Posted By: Luddite
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2005 at 3:48pm
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I thought the exemption just goes away in July, regardless of who supports it. Is new legislation required to keep the exemption?
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Posted By: N_or_S_bound
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2005 at 3:50pm
No one who will state publicly what the real intent will be for the hybrid exemption.
They're trying to fund a campaign right now. Why in the world would they want to cut off their funding stream?
Those who are on the receiving end are at least smart enough to get elected first before doing anything to harm their campaign financially.
NoSb
SOV because you can, HOV because you care!
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Posted By: Bob
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2005 at 5:18pm
Luddite,
On numerous occasions last year, various members of the General Assembly attempted to put through extensions of the exemption, including efforts to make it "all time." All of these failed and were tabled, leaving the current 2006 expiration in place. So most of us slugs are keeping our fingers crossed that logic will prevail and they will unceremoniously boot them out. One way or the other, their little boondoggle will END.
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Posted By: HOV3Slug
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2005 at 10:10am
Hybrid because you want to stockpile fuel inventories, HOV because you want to stockpile fuel inventories, save the roads, and get to work and home faster!
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Posted By: SpongeBob
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2005 at 2:02pm
I'm willing to bet the exemption is extended, particularly if the toll roads are still going forward. Why not extend the high-bred exemption a couple of years until the toll gantries are in place? Why piss off a group that, demographically speaking, is middle class?
Car dealers are some of the very biggest donors to local political campaigns, and the manufacturers are all introducing new hybrid models, and who wants to vote down a pseudo-environmental option?
I just can't see the Va legislature doing the anyhing else.
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Posted By: MDC
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2005 at 2:39pm
SpongeBob,
You know what's going to happen if it's extended. We've had ridiculous morning traffic this week so far, and only because the gas price went down. Imagine with tens of thousands more hybrids will do over the next couple of years.
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Posted By: SpongeBob
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2005 at 8:47am
Oh, MDC, I know, I know. But the legislature doesn't care. Why should they? And remember, the rule has boosted high-bred sales in NoVa AND in Tidewater, too. The exemption might be creating congestion on I95, but is it having the same effect on I64, or I66? From Richmond's perspective, is the exemption 100% bad?
I don't know.
Politicians don't like to remove or allow to lapse a special privilege: constituents just HATE that [V].
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Posted By: bnvus
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2005 at 12:03pm
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Hybrid exemption will die. I has got to. There are to many car models coming out with Hybrid technology that will kill this exemption. Otherwise it will be the regular lines all over again. It is only a matter of time.
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Posted By: MDC
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2005 at 9:26pm
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I saw a "not eligible for CF plates" Accord hybrid with CF plates today. Someone at the DMV must have been alseep at the wheel.
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Posted By: adjguy
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2005 at 8:47pm
Well, Jeff Frederick may be for the Hybrids, but Hilda Barg is for Over-development.
Thanks Hilda Barg for approving all of the new homes along route one in the 52nd district and receiving campaign contributions from those developers.
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Posted By: adjguy
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2005 at 8:48pm
quote:
Originally posted by adjguy
[br]Well, Jeff Frederick may be for the Hybrids, but Hilda Barg is for Over-development.
Thanks Hilda Barg for approving all of the new homes along route one in the 52nd district and receiving campaign contributions from those developers. You guys think traffics bad now? Wait till all those new 500,000 townhomes are built....
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Posted By: adjguy
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2005 at 8:49pm
[br]Well, Jeff Frederick may be for the Hybrids, but Hilda Barg is for Over-development.
Thanks Hilda Barg for approving all of the new homes along route one in the 52nd district and receiving campaign contributions from those developers. You guys think traffics bad now? Wait till all those new $500,000 townhomes are built....
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Posted By: HOV3Slug
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2005 at 6:39am
I'm voting for Jeff. The highest quality you can ask of a person is for them to seek and act on the truth. You know a person's truth by the fruit they bare. Hopefully, when the time comes, he will not support a renewal of the SOV hybrid rider on the HOV lanes.
From: "Delegate Jeff Frederick" Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
To: "'Hov 3 Slug'"
Subject: RE: Hybrid Exemption MUST GO!
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 12:15:51 -0500
I didn't exactly say that. First, the exemption is going away and if anything else is going to happen, it has be put through the General Assembly. The Feds have given a thumbs up on permitting these types of exemptions, but I think our current policy is outdated.
I would support a grandfathering, or a more strict definition of what a "clean-fuel" vehicle is (similar to the way California does it), requiring a certain minimum (like 50) mpg on these cars, or some sort of combination. I want to stop the crowding of the HOV lanes, and certainly, with the increased rate of hybrids out there, we need to stop this. At the same time, there is a benefit to *some* of these cars.
There's the honest (no BS or political-speak) answer. Obviously, it won't make everyone happy, but my job is to the best for most people. I think there is a good compromise out there and that's what I'm looking for.
Yet, as I've said time and time again, a primary focus of mine is to make sure sluggers can keep doing what they are doing in the most optimal way, and when not optimal, find out how we can assist to make it so. Thus, the hybrid issue is no where near my radar screen right now. I'm focused on trying to stop these HOT proposals from moving forward... this will be the latter part of this week for me (God-willing I'm re-elected tomorrow).
-JMF.
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From: Hov 3 Slug [mailto:hov3slug@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 11:49 AM
To: Delegate Jeff Frederick
Subject: Hybrid Exemption MUST GO!
Grandfather the exemption. NO! Those single riders are screwing up the works for the HOV lanes.
See the attached link. Please tell me this guy is making a liar out of you.
http://www.slug-lines.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2913
Jeff - NO to HOT Lanes and NO to renewing the Exemption to Hybrids.
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Posted By: anonjedi
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2006 at 3:00pm
From an email exchange with Jeff F.:
Email #1:
"I have filed legislation for this session to more strictly define what a "clean-fuel" vehicle is (similar to the way California does it), requiring a minimum mpg on these cars and certain clear-air standards."
Email #2:
"My bill does not provide for any grandfathering, rather, it establishes sticker requirements for the clean-fuel plate. So, when people renew their tags each year, they'll have to demonstrate they meet the requirements, otherwise, they'll be told they need to get new plates because their current ones won't be renewed."
Sounds like a fair compromise. It lets ultra-hybrids stay but clears out most of the ones clogging our precious lanes.
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Posted By: MDC
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2006 at 9:29pm
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So many hybrid drivers now don't think they need "clean fuel" plates to drive in HOV, and it's not enforced as far as I can tell. What's going to happen if they do what Jeff Frederick suggests? I think there will be more hybrids without "clean fuel" plates driving with the same impunity as they do now.
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Posted By: Sheepish
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2006 at 2:09pm
I have to disagree with anonjedi's comment of "sounds like a fair compromise" comment if that also means acceptance of the "grandfathering." I know I am repeating myself on this site when I state I am disappointed that there is no plan or clause addressing existing plate holders in this proposed legislation. There is nothing to prevent acquiring CF plates up until the date the law would go into effect (usually what, July 1st???) which would then "grandfather" these non-qualify vehicles allowing owners to keep the plates for almost 2 years.
That means it will take almost 2 years before the intent of the legislation would be realized......
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Posted By: James-G
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2006 at 7:34am
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I am outraged that this would pass the Senate when it is so clear that hyprids are choking the HOV lanes. I have writen to my House Delegate strongly encouraging her to oppose this bill. I don't think it is too late for us to stop this. There are many more Sluggers, Carpoolers, and Bus riders than hyprid owners. James
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Posted By: Man of Reason
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2006 at 10:26am
quote:
Originally posted by James-G
[br]I am outraged that this would pass the Senate when it is so clear that hyprids are choking the HOV lanes. I have writen to my House Delegate strongly encouraging her to oppose this bill. I don't think it is too late for us to stop this. There are many more Sluggers, Carpoolers, and Bus riders than hyprid owners. James
Great to hear that reasonable heads are prevailing in the VA Assembly...A compromise solution has always been the correct path for hybrids using the HOV lanes in VA....Ending an exemption because it's been too successful??? that's bassackwards...also, too much congestion in the regular lanes....where would you put the additional cars??
I commute daily using a Civic Hybrid on the HOV lanes (after 7:30 in the am and before 5:00 in the pm, hov-2 and alone ) and continue to be struck by the assertion of sluggers, vanpoolers, etc.that the HOV lanes are overcrowded (some commuters on pro-slugging websites even claim, ridiculously so, that there's often more congestion in HOV vs. non-HOV...). If these people were being honest, they would tell you that with the exception of bottlenecks at two points in the HOV corridor (beginning at Edsell Rd. through the Springfield Interchange where ALL vehicles are allowed to enter HOV and the Eads St. exit at the Pentagon) traffic moves at a steady pace of 65+ miles an hour. If anything, I would contend that the HOV lanes along the I-95 corridor are underutilized given the extreme congestion problems experienced in non-HOV lanes.
An article by "Dr. Gridlock" (Ron Shaffer) of the Washington Post echo's my sentiment and it seems the majority of users in HOV lanes; In the
article he asked readers for their counts and opinions of hybrid vehicles in the HOV-3 lanes. The consensus among readers was that there is not a
congestion problem outside of the bottlenecks mentioned above and that hybrids should continue to be allowed for this use...The following were
some of the conclusions drawn and a link to the article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46042-2005Feb23.html
Given the above, not to mention the fuel crisis we're in here in America, the move toward HOT lanes along I-95 and overall support of the hybrid exemption (see below), extending the exemption in one form or another is the only logical course of action.....
Other Facts
The Washington Post conducted a scientific survey of attitudes toward hybrids and the use of HOV lanes in VA. "In a recent Washington Post poll, 56 percent
of Northern Virginians said single-person hybrid vehicles should be allowed to use carpool lanes, and 43 percent said they should not. Across the
region, 53 percent said they should be allowed and 45 percent said they should not. To measure attitudes toward commuting, The Post interviewed 1,003 randomly selected adults in the Washington area Jan. 27 to 31." 2005
In addition, national polling favors hybrid use in HOV-lanes; MSNBC poll did poll similar to the Washington Post....70% support the hybrid exemption in
HOV....1682 people were polled...(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A54561-2005Jan6.html
)...
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