Horner Road Question
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Topic: Horner Road Question
Posted By: keo sims
Subject: Horner Road Question
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2011 at 11:21am
I want to start picking up for Horner Road (Currently I pick up for Tacketts) but I am confused by the drop off points in Horner.
When one drops off at Horner do you stop at the first stop and the slugs walk or do you do different destinations?
Any clarification on this would be helpful.
TIA
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Posted By: shorty5646
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2011 at 12:24pm
Usually, drivers ask their slugs whether they want to be dropped at the 1st (the first bus shelter on the right, by the ramp) or 2nd (the second bus shelter) lot.
Hope that helps!
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Posted By: keo sims
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2011 at 2:56pm
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This helps alot! Thank you!!
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Posted By: Pele
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2011 at 8:20am
Technically, dropping off at the second bus shelter is a courtesy.
If you're getting on the Prince William County Parkway or continuing further south on I-95, you can tell them you're turning left and only making one stop.
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Times to beat:
Horner Rd to/from Pentagon: 12 mins Without Slugs - 17 mins With slugs
Dale City exit to/from 3rd St Tunnel, D.C. 18 mins (No slugs - Holiday)
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Posted By: Atlantis.99
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2011 at 2:52pm
Technically, user Pele doesn't know what he is talking about because technically the whole system is a courtesy.
Technically, if the driver does not intend to go to both stops (if asked), then they must declare that upfront to allow the slugs to decide whether to take the ride (or not).
... and Technically, anyone who lists "times to beat" in their signature block as a badge of honor is immature. If you want bragging rights, list the number of slug round trips you have done or slugs delivered or something worthwhile.
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Posted By: Pele
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2011 at 4:43pm
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Originally posted by Atlantis.99
Technically, user Pele doesn't know what he is talking about because technically the whole system is a courtesy.
Technically, if the driver does not intend to go to both stops (if asked), then they must declare that upfront to allow the slugs to decide whether to take the ride (or not).
Technically - root technical, which Websters defines, among other things as "Of or relating to technique"
IE: referencing the written rules of the system...
Here are some direct copy and pastes from the slugging website where the rules of the system are written:
http://slug-lines.com/Slugging/About_slugging.asp
There doesnt need to be any discussion about the destination , such as giving directions, because the drop-off points are generally understood. "Rosslyn" means the Metro station in Rosslyn, not at some other point along the way...
http://slug-lines.com/Slugging/Etiquette.asp
No "curbside" service. There are certain understood destinations. Horner Road means the parking area at Horner Road, not the gas station just down Prince William Parkway or around the block to were you live. If you have a special request, be sure to ask the driver before accepting the ride. Normally, as long as the stop is on the way, drivers will not object.
Any time I've gone to Horner, the drop off point has always been the first shelter and either one of the passengers or the drivers asks about the second shelter.
The system itself is NOT a courtesy, as there are equal benefits for both parties... Namely, the drivers save time and fuel and the slugs get free transportation. Once at the destination, custom drop off points are a courtesy, as the driver does not benefit.
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... and Technically, anyone who lists "times to beat" in their signature block as a badge of honor is immature. If you want bragging rights, list the number of slug round trips you have done or slugs delivered or something worthwhile.
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Just like your listing of a defunct website makes you look like a wannabe spammer.
I did not list the numbers there for bragging rights or to serve as a badge of honor. I honestly don't care what you think of my maturity, as that's not the topic of discussion in this thread.
I listed the times in my signature space because I treat signatures as a doodle space where I can put what I want. Maybe it's a subconscious reflection of whom I am and that I don't care how I get to my destination, but that I get there in a hurry... Maybe it's just because I don't care what I put there.
However, one that believes everything they read on the internet and calls others immature might want to examine the mirror a bit.
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Times to beat:
Horner Rd to/from Pentagon: 12 mins Without Slugs - 17 mins With slugs
Dale City exit to/from 3rd St Tunnel, D.C. 18 mins (No slugs - Holiday)
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Posted By: Atlantis.99
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2011 at 7:36pm
@ Pele - Look a little closer at the top of the page on Ettiquette ... "Slugging has its own set of etiquette that you wont find written anywhere. Most of the rules are just basic courtesies" ... hence my first couple of points and over-emphasis on your use of the word "technically".
As for your original answer on Horner - you over-reached and gave bad advice / commentary ... A drop-off at Horner #2 is NOT considered "Curbside Service", but rather fits within the original courtesy framework.
As for my signature block ... I haven't used this account in years and forgot it was even there ... As for "times to beat", I stand by my original comments on the subject.
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Posted By: Pele
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2011 at 5:15am
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Originally posted by Atlantis.99
@ Pele - Look a little closer at the top of the page on Ettiquette ... "Slugging has its own set of etiquette that you wont find written anywhere. Most of the rules are just basic courtesies" ... hence my first couple of points and over-emphasis on your use of the word "technically".
And yet the rules are written clearly below that, completely invalidating the statement that you won't find them written anywhere...
Those are the rules accepted by most of the users of the slug system. So now they're written and accepted as the rules. I stand by my use of the word, "technically."
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As for your original answer on Horner - you over-reached and gave bad advice / commentary ... A drop-off at Horner #2 is NOT considered "Curbside Service", but rather fits within the original courtesy framework.
Then I violate the rule on dropping off short of the destination, because I travel down the Prince William County parkway or continue forther south on I-95 when I leave the lot. I enter the lot, drop off at the first shelter only, then turn left and exit the lot... Many others I know do this as well.
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As for my signature block ... I haven't used this account in years and forgot it was even there ... As for "times to beat", I stand by my original comments on the subject.
Slug-Recipes.Com
And yet you still leave the defunct link there, despite having been notified of it.
I still fail to see how you consider it immature, but I'm not going to argue it. There's no convincing some people. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on that point.
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Times to beat:
Horner Rd to/from Pentagon: 12 mins Without Slugs - 17 mins With slugs
Dale City exit to/from 3rd St Tunnel, D.C. 18 mins (No slugs - Holiday)
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Posted By: Dale H
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2011 at 8:28am
Keo, as a rider (mostly), I appreciate it when I am dropped off at the shelter nearest my car. For example, I slug between Horner and Rosslyn. When I get picked up for the ride south in the afternoon in Rosslyn, the driver could reasonably conclude that, since he/she picked me up in Rosslyn, my car will be near the Rosslyn morning line at Horner. If you pick someone up at the Pentagon, you could expect their car to be parked near the morning line for the pentagon. Of course, if you don't pick up at the same lot in the morning, you might not know the line locations.
Whether or not you care to accomodate your passengers is up to you.
Dale H
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Posted By: keo sims
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2011 at 11:25am
Thank you all for your responses.
I have decided to ask my riders (out of common courtesy) I have no problem driving to the next stop even though I jump on 95 S. I just turn around after stopping and go on about my way.
I appreciate all of the feedback and have been alot happier (stress free) since using Horner as opposed to Tacketts. [8D]
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Posted By: VAwitch
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2011 at 12:38pm
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Originally posted by Pele
As for your original answer on Horner - you over-reached and gave bad advice / commentary ... A drop-off at Horner #2 is NOT considered "Curbside Service", but rather fits within the original courtesy framework.
Then I violate the rule on dropping off short of the destination, because I travel down the Prince William County parkway or continue forther south on I-95 when I leave the lot. I enter the lot, drop off at the first shelter only, then turn left and exit the lot... Many others I know do this as well.
Then I hope that I never ride with you. To have to park in "lot 3" which is the last one on the Telegraph-Road side, and have to walk all the way from the first bus shelters to there, in the current (hot & humid) weather = onset of medical problems for me, as well as being late to pick up my son from daycare.
I have *always*, since the additional section was built - heard riders asked "lot 1 or 2?" And I have been slugging since 1994. "Lot 3" is a courtesy - basically, if a major bus stop is there, that is a slug drop-off as well.
And many drivers, including myself, continue onto I-95 or onto PWPkwy - we just do a U-turn at one of the 3 openings near the 2nd depot.
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Posted By: HMumford
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2011 at 10:58am
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Originally posted by VAwitch
quote:
Originally posted by Pele
As for your original answer on Horner - you over-reached and gave bad advice / commentary ... A drop-off at Horner #2 is NOT considered "Curbside Service", but rather fits within the original courtesy framework.
Then I violate the rule on dropping off short of the destination, because I travel down the Prince William County parkway or continue forther south on I-95 when I leave the lot. I enter the lot, drop off at the first shelter only, then turn left and exit the lot... Many others I know do this as well.
Then I hope that I never ride with you. To have to park in "lot 3" which is the last one on the Telegraph-Road side, and have to walk all the way from the first bus shelters to there, in the current (hot & humid) weather = onset of medical problems for me, as well as being late to pick up my son from daycare.
I have *always*, since the additional section was built - heard riders asked "lot 1 or 2?" And I have been slugging since 1994. "Lot 3" is a courtesy - basically, if a major bus stop is there, that is a slug drop-off as well.
And many drivers, including myself, continue onto I-95 or onto PWPkwy - we just do a U-turn at one of the 3 openings near the 2nd depot.
Agreed. I've been slugging to and from Horner for a couple of years now. Only once has someone just dropped me off at the first stop without mentioning anything beforehand. It was hot as heck outside and I was parked in the third lot. It was awful to walk all that way with my heavy bags in the searing heat and humidity. If I had known the driver intended to do that, I would have allowed someone to go ahead of me.
There may be no hard and fast rules, but it is considerate. If you're that pressed to make the turn at the first lot to exit onto the Parkway or get back on I-95, at least have the courtesy to advise people before they make the decision to get in your car.
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Posted By: slug123456789
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 11:40am
I am always a rider - never a driver. I just have to give my 2 cents on this. It is up to the rider to ask the driver about drop off destinations if they are out of the norm. As for those who say they have a medical problem, that it totally on you to ask the driver before you get in where they are willing to let you out. As was mentioned before, a lot of drivers don't mind and just make a u-turn, but other drivers just want to get home (or wherever) as soon as they can. I have rarely been asked first or second lot. Since I am a CC slug, I think the drivers all assume (correctly) I am in the first lot. I am young, and don't mind walking (regardless of weather), so I am not going to worry about it. Now, if I had a medical condition and I needed to be let out at a certain spot, you can bet you a$$ that I would ask the driver first so there is no confusion.
Communication is key here people - I have yet to meet a mind reader. If you don't want to walk then drive your own car. The driver is not required to give curb side service. As far as I am concerned, as long as I am in the right general area, I'm good because my legs are not broken and I got a free ride. Just think of all the exercise you would be getting.
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Posted By: HMumford
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 12:55pm
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Originally posted by slug123456789
I am always a rider - never a driver. I just have to give my 2 cents on this. It is up to the rider to ask the driver about drop off destinations if they are out of the norm. As for those who say they have a medical problem, that it totally on you to ask the driver before you get in where they are willing to let you out. As was mentioned before, a lot of drivers don't mind and just make a u-turn, but other drivers just want to get home (or wherever) as soon as they can. I have rarely been asked first or second lot. Since I am a CC slug, I think the drivers all assume (correctly) I am in the first lot. I am young, and don't mind walking (regardless of weather), so I am not going to worry about it. Now, if I had a medical condition and I needed to be let out at a certain spot, you can bet you a$$ that I would ask the driver first so there is no confusion.
Communication is key here people - I have yet to meet a mind reader. If you don't want to walk then drive your own car. The driver is not required to give curb side service. As far as I am concerned, as long as I am in the right general area, I'm good because my legs are not broken and I got a free ride. Just think of all the exercise you would be getting.
I do agree. However, in my experience and with regard to my post and my commute, the "norm" WAS dropping off at the second lot.
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Posted By: shorty5646
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 12:57pm
I am also always a rider - almost never a driver - but from the comments posted, I am thinking that the time and location may have some impact on how likely the drivers are to ask about the first or second lot.
Seems like perhaps the CC/Rosslyn slugs may not be as likely to request or need to go to the second or third lots, and same probably goes for slugs who arrive to the lot earlier in the morning and leave earlier in the afternoon. The earlier you park at Horner, the more likely you are to get a space closer to the lines - so if you're leaving work at 3 or 4pm, chances are you're closer to the first lot. For those who slug in and back later, we most likely arrived to the lot later and had to park further away.
As a L'Enfant slug that leaves work after 5pm, I find that drivers almost ALWAYS ask if you want the first or second lot - and slugs are almost ALWAYS in the second or third lots. Actually, many drivers have even offered to go to the last area where you can make a U-Turn before Telegraph, if you're parked in the third lot. While I am also young and in good health, I appreciate drivers who do this, especially considering the heat and humidity. I'd much rather be dropped off a little closer in the air-conditioned car than have to walk from the first lot! And in my opinion, it really isn't THAT much of an inconvenience for the driver to go to the second lot... just my two cents!
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Posted By: slug123456789
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 1:54pm
No arguments about the above posts. I do want to add that I used to slug to the Navy Yard and parked in the 2nd lot and the drivers ALWAYS asked 1st or 2nd. I really do think the driver asks based on where they pick up the slugs from, which I believe was already mentioned in an earlier post. I too would prefer to be dropped off in the 2nd or 3rd lot if I ever needed it but I will never compain because as I mentioned before, I was at least able to get a ride.
Just an a off topic side note, sometimes I am in a ride home (or to work for that matter) and the car smells of smoke, or something really bad and thick (perfume, etc), that I am almost tempted to just jump out at the first opportunity no matter where that is!! [:D]
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Posted By: Pele
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2011 at 1:19am
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Originally posted by shorty5646
I am also always a rider - almost never a driver - but from the comments posted, I am thinking that the time and location may have some impact on how likely the drivers are to ask about the first or second lot.
Seems like perhaps the CC/Rosslyn slugs may not be as likely to request or need to go to the second or third lots, and same probably goes for slugs who arrive to the lot earlier in the morning and leave earlier in the afternoon. The earlier you park at Horner, the more likely you are to get a space closer to the lines - so if you're leaving work at 3 or 4pm, chances are you're closer to the first lot.
BINGO!
I usually get to Horner when there's a handful of cars there.
I'm usually picking up slugs at 3:00, well before I need them.
Nobody has ever asked to go to the second lot. I didn't even know there was a third.
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Times to beat:
Horner Rd to/from Pentagon: 12 mins Without Slugs - 17 mins With slugs
Dale City exit to/from 3rd St Tunnel, D.C. 18 mins (No slugs - Holiday)
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Posted By: anniekay06
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2011 at 2:57pm
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I think it would be nice if people would simply consider the weather when dropping off at Horner Road. If I was a constant driver I would always suggest dropping off at the 2nd Bus Stop (because I think it's the right thing to do, personally). But MOST importantly when there is extreme weather. I think having slugs, i.e. PEOPLE walk in the sideways-pouring-intense rain is just sad..... I couldn't just drop someone off, leave 'em to walk a mile, in a crazy thunderstorm because "I turn left here." However, I'm also a nice person who believes in a little saying - what goes around comes back around.
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