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Forum Name: Hybrids
Forum Description: This area is devoted to the discussion of hybrid vehicles and their impact to the HOV.
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Topic: Can yall MOVE?
Posted By: NO44
Subject: Can yall MOVE?
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2011 at 3:32pm
Seriously.. it's bad enough you are on HOV to begin with...HOV stands for High Occupancy Vehicles, not Hybrids On Vacation...If you insist on being on HOV, please leave the left lane for PASSERS. I have passed so many oblivious people in Hybrids strolling along like they are on vacation, mostly going 60 MPH or slower in the PASSING lane. MOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![:(!]

Nic



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Posted By: NoSUV
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 1:34am
quote:
Originally posted by NO44

Seriously.. it's bad enough you are on HOV to begin with...HOV stands for High Occupancy Vehicles, not Hybrids On Vacation...If you insist on being on HOV, please leave the left lane for PASSERS. I have passed so many oblivious people in Hybrids strolling along like they are on vacation, mostly going 60 MPH or slower in the PASSING lane. MOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![:(!]

Nic


Nearly all of the road hogs are in SUVs, not hybrids. Except for buses, which are CLEARLY better than POVs with only a couple of passengers.

Why don't you get on the bus?


Posted By: shorty5646
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2011 at 2:40pm
quote:
Originally posted by NoSUV

Nearly all of the road hogs are in SUVs, not hybrids. Except for buses, which are CLEARLY better than POVs with only a couple of passengers.

Why don't you get on the bus?



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Posted By: NoSUV
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2011 at 5:08pm
quote:
Originally posted by shorty5646

quote:
Originally posted by NoSUV

Nearly all of the road hogs are in SUVs, not hybrids. Except for buses, which are CLEARLY better than POVs with only a couple of passengers.

Why don't you get on the bus?



This message board is part of the SLUG-LINES.COM website.

Why don't you find a new hobby?


Please look at the specific topic group. When I look at it, it says "Hybrids". What does it say for you?

I guess those don't like the facts feel that it's better to just not listen. Do you also censor those who believe in evolution?


Posted By: Spectrepilot
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2012 at 5:23pm
What is wrong with using a SUV?

Whenever I drive my SUV I ALWAYS take slugs and usually three. On several occasions I've taken more including during a huge thunderstorm a few years back when I actually took 7 people from the Pentagon to Sydenstryker. When we got to Sydenstryker I took each person to their car and when I found out two people didn't have cars there (both were waiting for family to pick them up), I drove BOTH of them home.

Hybrids should not be on the HOV unless they have three total people, all you are doing is proving your self-centered attitude by driving a single person to work and clogging up the road.


Posted By: RetiredMarine
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2012 at 9:21am
AMEN


Posted By: NoSUV
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2012 at 3:52pm
quote:
Originally posted by Spectrepilot

What is wrong with using a SUV?

Whenever I drive my SUV I ALWAYS take slugs and usually three. On several occasions I've taken more including during a huge thunderstorm a few years back when I actually took 7 people from the Pentagon to Sydenstryker. When we got to Sydenstryker I took each person to their car and when I found out two people didn't have cars there (both were waiting for family to pick them up), I drove BOTH of them home.

Hybrids should not be on the HOV unless they have three total people, all you are doing is proving your self-centered attitude by driving a single person to work and clogging up the road.


Why the half measure? By your reasoning, why not eliminate every vehicle from the EXPRESS LANES (their official name and original intended use) except for what was first allowed, only buses? That would clear the clog while getting people who use the road to actually pay for it.


Posted By: lisad219
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2012 at 11:53am
Hybrids are the slowest people on the HOV. It's annoying. Almost like they are in "la-la" land. [?] I have posted about his before. I am NOT saying all Hybrid drivers drive this way, but most of the cars going too slow in the left lane or just going slow in general are Hybrids.


Posted By: NoSUV
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2012 at 4:58pm
quote:
Originally posted by lisad219

Hybrids are the slowest people on the HOV. It's annoying. Almost like they are in "la-la" land. [?] I have posted about his before. I am NOT saying all Hybrid drivers drive this way, but most of the cars going too slow in the left lane or just going slow in general are Hybrids.


I usually find that the slow pokes in the fast lane are SUVs.


Posted By: mdog
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2012 at 10:59am
One of the main reasons hybrids are slow is because they are underpowered (smaller engines to keep MPG high) and overweight (extra weight of all those batteries), which becomes apparent in highway high speed driving conditions where power/weight is crucial. Long uphill stretches like b.w Duke and Seminary St. where hybrids struggle to even maintain speed is a good illustration.

However, considering a lot of them are equiped with low rolling resitance (= low friction) tires that are terrible in the road handling and stopping distance departments, them driving slow may be not such a bad thing after all.


Posted By: lisad219
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2012 at 12:01pm
I have nothing against Hybrids other than I notice they are the majority of the slow pokes. Whether SUV or Hybrid - I think the main point here is stay in the right lane no matter what you drive to allow people to pass. [:D]


Posted By: sluDgE
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2012 at 12:27pm
And let's all hope those drivers passing in the left lane will be courteous enough to let the drivers in the right lane move to the left to make their left-hand exits between DC and the Occoquan (such as Shirlington, Seminary Rd, VA-644, VA-7900, and others).


Posted By: Pele
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2012 at 2:41pm
quote:
Originally posted by mdog

One of the main reasons hybrids are slow is because they are underpowered (smaller engines to keep MPG high) and overweight (extra weight of all those batteries), which becomes apparent in highway high speed driving conditions where power/weight is crucial. Long uphill stretches like b.w Duke and Seminary St. where hybrids struggle to even maintain speed is a good illustration.

However, considering a lot of them are equiped with low rolling resitance (= low friction) tires that are terrible in the road handling and stopping distance departments, them driving slow may be not such a bad thing after all.



The small gasoline engine is made up for by the high torque of the electric motor... Hard acceleration and hard braking are actually where a hybrid stands out, hence their improved mileage in the city.
One really needs to adapt their driving style to the hybrid drivetrain, they aren't the average car. I've gotten the Ford Escape and Fusion Hybrids at work hauling rear on the beltway.

I would love to get a hold of a 1st gen (2000-2006) Honda Insight or 2003-2005 Civic Hybrid. You can really get them moving on a tight road race or autocross course. Unfortunately, finding one that isn't beaten to crap and equipped with a manual transmission is damn near impossible. Until then, I'm kinda stuck with the 1991 Honda CRX.


However I do agree with you on the LRR tires. I keep three sets of wheels for the CRX. Performance all seasons on alloy wheels for everyday use; Snow tires on steelies for the winter; and R-Compounds on ultralight alloy wheels for the track. Proper traction goes a long way towards keeping one from becoming a red smear on the Jersey wall.

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Times to beat:
Horner Rd to/from Pentagon: 12 mins Without Slugs - 17 mins With slugs
Dale City exit to/from 3rd St Tunnel, D.C. 18 mins (No slugs - Holiday)


Posted By: mdog
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2012 at 8:59am
quote:
The small gasoline engine is made up for by the high torque of the electric motor... Hard acceleration and hard braking are actually where a hybrid stands out, hence their improved mileage in the city.
...

Torque is important for acceleration from stand still, and just like you've said, hybrids shine in stop-n-go traffic (or tight road race or autocross course).

However, at highway speeds you primarily need power, not torque, to move fast.


Posted By: Pele
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2012 at 12:14pm
quote:
Originally posted by mdog


Torque is important for acceleration from stand still, and just like you've said, hybrids shine in stop-n-go traffic (or tight road race or autocross course).

However, at highway speeds you primarily need power, not torque, to move fast.



Not when you weigh less than 2000 lbs and have one of the lowest drag coefficients of any production car. :D

Once you get it up to speed, you can set a feather on the throttle and it'll maintain its speed.

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Times to beat:
Horner Rd to/from Pentagon: 12 mins Without Slugs - 17 mins With slugs
Dale City exit to/from 3rd St Tunnel, D.C. 18 mins (No slugs - Holiday)


Posted By: mdog
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2012 at 3:15pm
quote:
Originally posted by Pele
Not when you weigh less than 2000 lbs and have one of the lowest drag coefficients of any production car. :D

Once you get it up to speed, you can set a feather on the throttle and it'll maintain its speed.


I bet all those left lane hoggers OP wrote about think the same...


Posted By: Pele
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2012 at 7:14pm
quote:
Originally posted by mdog


I bet all those left lane hoggers OP wrote about think the same...



Touche...

My feather is made of lead.


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Times to beat:
Horner Rd to/from Pentagon: 12 mins Without Slugs - 17 mins With slugs
Dale City exit to/from 3rd St Tunnel, D.C. 18 mins (No slugs - Holiday)


Posted By: SpongeBob
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2014 at 12:01pm
Actually, my Prius has incredible acceleration when I use the "boost" button, which guns the drive train with immediate torque from the batteries without waiting for the gas-driven power to arrive. Have you seen the videos on Top Gear of the hybrid beating the Porsche at the quarter-mile because it gets up to speed faster?

It is completely true that the hybrids with the exemption are not reducing traffic: they need to have their privileges revoked. But you are mistaken about the battery/electricity/coal thing, at least for regular hybrids: the electricity is generated entirely by the vehicle itself, mostly from braking force being captured - there is no wallplug connected to the grid and its coal plants.

But another point is worth making: plug-in electric vehicles are different -- their emissions are worst on the first day of ownership and then improve every day. Why? Because the grid is itself cleaner every day, over time. Think about it!


Posted By: KeithO
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2014 at 4:54pm
Their exemption will be revoked soon (up to Edsell Rd) and then they can pick up Slugs (Yes, I know some already do).

KeithO


Posted By: NoSUV
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 8:34am
Actually, it's only on I-95 to Edsell. I -66 as well as North of Edsell is still HOV with hybrid exemption.

Interesting that motorcycles are toll exempt, apparently for no reason.

quote:
Originally posted by KeithO

Their exemption will be revoked soon (up to Edsell Rd) and then they can pick up Slugs (Yes, I know some already do).

KeithO




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