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    Posted: 22 Feb 2007 at 2:37pm
We may have lost another round as far as the I95 extension goes, but the freeze provision of last year has resulted in the following:

1. The Prius dealers have been shafted (notice all the new adds offering incentives). Can't give em away.

2. The US taxpayers are now not having to fork out much money in tax credits for this abomination.

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Just a matter of time before we can get the really progressive legislation to make the express lanes hybrid only. After all, nearly every politician and environmental scientist has gone on record that global warming is the most pressing concern because it takes so long to show up. Traffic problems are right in front of us, but pale in significance. Won't be long before the legislature, which unaminously approved the extension, does the right thing for the environment.

Bought your hybrid yet?
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Bob,

Any reason given why "they can't give'em away"?
Are they that bad a car?

Or is it the expense versus comfort of the Prius being such a small car? A new Crown Vic, Charger, or Impala with much more passenger room and trunk space costs about the same and may have the same or better buyer incentives.
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I was just being flip. However, one does see a lot of ads for hybrids now, indicating there is a sales slowdown.
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Yes, it's unfortunate for everyone here on these boards, except NoSUV, that the grandfather clause in HOV exemption was continued, but there's no signs of them reversing course to make them hybrid only. From an environmental perspective, that's an utter waste. For one, it's short sighted as there may soon be viable, production technologies that offer much less oil dependence than current gas/electric hybrids. Second, a switch to Hybrid only HOV (which would mean the HOV name would become a misnomer) would initially, and probably for quite some time, add more congestion to the main lanes, reducing gas mileage even further for more cars, and a net increase in gas usage. Third, suppose you are right, and people start buying new hybrids left and right so that they can be in the new lexus lanes. You will have a net increase of solo occupant drivers than you do now. Sure, some may buy hybrids with very high gas mileage, but many will still buy ones that have less gas mileage than cars that are in the main lanes. Again, if you are correct, it will lead to more cars being produced which uses so much energy (which often comes from burning oils) to build these hybrids. If a car burns less gas than than the car it replaced, factoring in the energy cost to build it, I fail to see how it really saves oil in the long run. I still do not see it making a difference in the grand scheme of things, not even a little dent. Instead, it will make some car manufacturers and politicians richer than they are now. But alas, you disagree with all of this (if you even read it) and my points are meaningless to you, your grandfathered in hybrid owners, and your fellow lobbyists.
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Originally posted by NoSUV
[br]Just a matter of time before we can get the really progressive legislation to make the express lanes hybrid only. After all, nearly every politician and environmental scientist has gone on record that global warming is the most pressing concern because it takes so long to show up. Traffic problems are right in front of us, but pale in significance. Won't be long before the legislature, which unaminously approved the extension, does the right thing for the environment.

Bought your hybrid yet?



Are you that stupid? Hybrid's get better gas mileage in bumper to bumper traffic (when they are mostly running on battery) than they do at HWY speeds.

I can't wait for the new 2008 gas mileage numbers, when Hybrid's are expected to take a 20-30% hit.
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[br]Bob,

Any reason given why "they can't give'em away"?
Are they that bad a car?

Or is it the expense versus comfort of the Prius being such a small car? A new Crown Vic, Charger, or Impala with much more passenger room and trunk space costs about the same and may have the same or better buyer incentives.



They aren't "that bad a car", they are just MUCH more expensive than a similar car.
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scottt,
Agree with you ... one can get a much roomier and more comfortable car for the same amount of money as a tiny little Prius ... or a car of the same size for less money.
My neighbor has one of the first Prius cars and likes the gas mileage, but he admits it's a bit on the small size. His family uses their newer minivan for family activities. For the money he spent on the Prius he could have bought a more comfortable commuting car. Using the HOV lanes on I-95/395 wasn't an incentive since he drives to work on Braddock Road and the Beltway to the Tysons Corner area.
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And safety is an issue. The fact is that a heavier car always wins. They stay on the road better during violent maneuvers, it takes more to roll them, and in a collision, there is better survivability.

But you can buy a hybrid Accord -- that is better in safety than a Civic or a Prius, IMO.
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[br]...From an environmental perspective, that's an utter waste. For one, it's short sighted as there may soon be viable, production technologies that offer much less oil dependence than current gas/electric hybrids. Second, a switch to Hybrid only HOV (which would mean the HOV name would become a misnomer) would initially, and probably for quite some time, add more congestion to the main lanes, reducing gas mileage even further for more cars, and a net increase in gas usage. Third, suppose you are right, and people start buying new hybrids left and right so that they can be in the new lexus lanes. You will have a net increase of solo occupant drivers than you do now. Sure, some may buy hybrids with very high gas mileage, but many will still buy ones that have less gas mileage than cars that are in the main lanes. Again, if you are correct, it will lead to more cars being produced which uses so much energy (which often comes from burning oils) to build these hybrids....



Your statements here are all very logical and accurate, and I agree, but that is not the issue here. Anything that contradicts NoSUVs opinion is wrong, no matter how it affects anyone else. So no matter what you say, unless you agree that NoSUV should have a dedicated lane, you are wrong.
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