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[br]Carpooling ...makes better use of existing investments in our chosen method of transportation, ...

And that is EXACTLY the crux of the problem. Until YOU change YOUR chosen method of transportation, the pollution only gets worse, the congestion increases, the outrageous use of fuel continues. Add a million more people to our region, and you can quickly see that a radical change is needed.
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But I (and millions of freedom loving Americans) already have an investment in our vehicles. Many run just fine. And let's not forget that late model vehicles are far more energy efficient and far less polluting than those of decades past. Would you propose we send them all to the scrapyard and buy hybrids? How would you treat conventional cars that get over 30 MPG? Trash 'em all and buy hybrids (at 20%+ higher price)? Now that really makes sense! NOT!

Like I said, small changes, baby steps, at a measured pace, over time will be successful in making a real lasting positive impact. Did you know it takes the distance of 1.5 miles for an aircraft carrier to exeucte a 90% turn?
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"Almost every successful change has been through a radical departure from the established norm. Some examples? How about the creation of the United States? "planned, predictable and measured steps"?"

That's why it is called the Revolutionary War! It began a long series of changes in the structure and government of our country starting with a radical departure (that, by the way, threw us into the midst of social and economic chaos for several years) followed by many planned and measured baby steps that took place over time. Please, even though our Constitution was adopted in 1787, it was not ratified until each state had a chance to digest it, and a Bill of Rights was accepted by each state, over four years later in 1791 (and over 15 years after the Declaration of Independence was written). Our country operated with out an official charter for 15 years! Talk about chaos! Is this what you propose?

Changes take time! Here's a question for you, NOSUV "the radical historian," how much time has elapsed between the adoption of the Constitution and the last amendment to be ratified?
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If everyone threw out our cars and bought new hybrids, does anyone know how much energy is needed to build these new vehicles, let alone the pollution created from generating such energy?

Remember people, according to NoSUV, carpooling is part of the problem, not the solution to traffic congestion.
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OK, NoSUV, I agree you are an easy target.

But the answer to my question, "how much time has elapsed between the adoption of the Constitution and the last amendment to be ratified?" is nearly 200 years. Yes, it has taken 200 years for our country to reach the mature state of sophistication that we enjoy today. 200 years of baby steps, planned and measured changes working toward a utopia where opinions as varied as yours and mine are protected by laws that also allow the people of our country to express themselves freely, and enjoy a wonderfully diverse society where we are entitled to make decisions that do not conform to any one person's idea of right or wrong.

It may have started as a revolution, and it wasn't all good, but after many, many fits and starts, many baby steps, many planned and measured changes here we are. And we're not done yet!

And you think you can solve our fossil fuel/traffic/eco problems with one sweeping radical train of thought like "mandate hybrids and mass transit?"

So thanks for making my point.
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Once again logic has shut-down insanity! Thanks for the debate NoSUV!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote NoSUV Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jan 2007 at 10:22am
raymond - the stress must really be too much for you to resort to talking to yourself.
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Still no intelligent reply from NoSUV? Can't argue with the truth, can you?

Hybrids are not the answer!

Real, sustainable fuel changes will need forward-looking, system-wide thinking and long range planning. Alternative examples: ethanol, hydrogen, solar, hydro, wind, geothermal, (and yes, even nuclear) are all impracticle in the short-term, but have wonderful long-term potentials as alternate fuel sources. Start looking forward and plan for a better tomorrow!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote OPfan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Feb 2007 at 7:53am
Well, I was wrong about the hybrid drivers losing their exemption this year. A big thanks goes to the VA legislature for keeping the 'free pass' alive for another year. To the hybrid drivers: stop being a selfish SOV and pick-up some riders. Only 18 months to go before SOV's become HOV's. :)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote NoSUV Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Feb 2007 at 9:47am
OPlan,

You must be ignorant of the facts. How many legislators voted AGAINST the extension? There is ZERO momentum to affect the changes you boast.
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