what was with traffic this morning???

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   Ah, yes. Keep it coming. Obviously you've not looked out the window lately at the regular lanes. Ever thought (whoops, that's asking too much) why there are so many cars in the regular lanes? Figured out why those taxpayers aren't in HOV? Do you suppose they LIKE being stuck in traffic?

	You've not been able to balance the flow by being more strident, or through use of smaller words. On 4/4 at 4pm on 395 south there were no cars for over 1/4 mile in HOV lanes, and the regular lanes were at a creep. Moving hybrids out of HOV won't help the regular lanes - toll becomes the best balancing solution using market forces. Hybrids out = tolls in. Please, please, please - end the hybrid exemption so we can get the toll passed.

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NoSUV Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote NoSUV Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 Apr 2005 at 11:46am
	Ah, yes. Keep it coming. Obviously you've not looked out the window lately at the regular lanes. Ever thought (whoops, that's asking too much) why there are so many cars in the regular lanes? Figured out why those taxpayers aren't in HOV? Do you suppose they LIKE being stuck in traffic? You've not been able to balance the flow by being more strident, or through use of smaller words. On 4/4 at 4pm on 395 south there were no cars for over 1/4 mile in HOV lanes, and the regular lanes were at a creep. Moving hybrids out of HOV won't help the regular lanes - toll becomes the best balancing solution using market forces. Hybrids out = tolls in. Please, please, please - end the hybrid exemption so we can get the toll passed.

getmehome pweeze Members Profile Find Members Posts Master Slug Joined: 18 Jun 2004 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 501	Post Options Post Reply Quote getmehome pweeze Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 Apr 2005 at 12:24pm
	And, exactly, how much extra money do you have at the end of your bill paying budget to waist? HOT should be a last resort, Not the first. Get over yourself. :'}

sbouncer Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 16 Jul 2003 Location: va Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote sbouncer Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 Apr 2005 at 12:29pm
	And all those people in the regular lanes have to do is stop and pick up some passengers and they too can be flying home on the wonderful HOV lanes...... Keep on Slugging!!!!

shahedC Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 25 Oct 2003 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote shahedC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 Apr 2005 at 1:16pm
	NoSUV, u keep referring to "moving hybrids out" as a bad thing. But why do hybrids have to be moved out? They can simply be required to carry 3 people, which is what will happen after the exemption expires. That will immediately take 2 other cars off the road.. imagine how smoothly HOV traffic would flow then! So, "moving hybrids out" does not mean that HOT is the only other option to smooth traffic!

NoSUV Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote NoSUV Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 Apr 2005 at 7:38am
	When the hybrid exemption was inacted, did the regular lane congestion ease? Generally speaking, do the HOV lanes today move better than the regular lanes? If the answer to both is yes, then ending the hybrid exemption would indicate an increase in regular lane congestion while HOV lanes would move even more smoothly. That's the opposite of balance. When the hybrid exemption ends, it's only a matter of time before clammoring increases for a better balance. Don't even need to build another lane to get a better balance, just put up toll booths and let the market provide the balance. Can still have a graduated toll so HOV-3 is free, but without the hybrids sharing HOV lanes, there's a need to put other cars into the HOV lanes to make it better for the regular lanes.

SpongeBob Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 06 Oct 2004 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote SpongeBob Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 Apr 2005 at 11:42am
	NoSUV: the answers to the questions are not both Yes. The answer to the first is No: regular lane congestion was unchanged by the hybrid exemption. In fact, regular lane congestion has gotten worse in the past two years. So has HOV congestion. So how do we get more vehicles off the road? encourage van-carpooling and slugging and busriding. You silly, silly man. You are talking about balance between numbers of vehicles, not numbers of people. More people get to work on the HOV lanes than the regular lanes, did you know that? High-breds clog the HOV lanes and... aw, what's the use? Idiots like you and Qorc give me a headache. Me and Gary are going to bed.

MDC Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 04 Dec 2002 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote MDC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 Apr 2005 at 12:03pm
	If anything, ending the exemption will increase the number of HOV-3 compliant cars. The people in the regular lanes choose that lifestyle for themselves. A significant portion of them could be doing HOV if they wanted to. What the smugs do after their exemption ends is up to them. They don't belong in the HOV lanes.

getmehome pweeze Members Profile Find Members Posts Master Slug Joined: 18 Jun 2004 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 501	Post Options Post Reply Quote getmehome pweeze Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 Apr 2005 at 12:08pm
	Why is it that the only resort is to make HOT lanes?? NoSUV-Like I asked, and you did not answer, how much extra do you have in your wallet to pour into HOT lanes?? And if you listened and comprehended what we have been writing, Hybrids need to join the rest of the HOV (HIGH OCCUPANCY vehicles), and PICK UP SLUGS!! 1 hybrid + 2 slugs= 2 less cars on HOV, fool! NoSUV, didnt you stop to think, or see, or notice, that the population of VA has vastly grown over the last two years? I'm surprised you havent gone on a rant that people need to start paying higher taxes to live here, then maybe some of them will move away, and congestion on your precious regular lanes will ease. Why do you post here? You sure don't seem to respect the HOV system. :'}

emancilla Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 30 Sep 2003 Location: Virginia Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote emancilla Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 Apr 2005 at 12:18pm
	Nicely done MDC! The people in the regular lanes can easily pick up people but they refuse and choose to be stuck in traffic every single day. A perfect system have to end to relief traffic in the regular lanes?? NO sense.

NoSUV Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote NoSUV Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 Apr 2005 at 3:05pm
	What it sounds like is that all taxpayers, who paid for the building and operation of the roads, should support a minority who want to ride for free. Tolls allow for those who pay for the roads to use them. How much to pay? Good question - never thought I'd be willing to pay $2.20/gal for gas, but now am doing so. Probably don't want to pay what SpongeBob can afford of $50, but he's rich since he hasn't had to pay to use the roads. Sponge is right that population has increased in the (outlying) area, as have jobs in DC. Robert Lang on another posting actually had some good suggestions, none of which appear to be on the political agenda. Sponge knows the answer - just ask him - as to why the number of hybrids have increased in the area; I'm sure he'd tell you the majority come drivers who used to pick up slugs. Of course, that paints a poor picture of slugs... but, from the postings, the shoe fits. Even Dr Gridlock has started to realize that the hybrid exemption is not the problem; once it goes away, though, it won't be long before the existing HOV lanes turn into toll roads to ease the regular lane traffic.