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   Lane splitting is stupid.  Cycles should follow the same rules as other vehicles.  If you ride a cycle you choose to sit with your two feet planted on the pavement when traffic is stopped.

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VA4ver Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 09 Feb 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote VA4ver Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Aug 2005 at 12:07pm
	Lane splitting is stupid. Cycles should follow the same rules as other vehicles. If you ride a cycle you choose to sit with your two feet planted on the pavement when traffic is stopped.

SpotsySlugBug Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 02 May 2005 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote SpotsySlugBug Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Aug 2005 at 11:29am
	There was a a blatantly obvious violator this morning to our right and a state police car was 2 cars behind us. When the violator got off at Springfield, do you think he pulled her over? NO. grrr

Lone Wolf Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 19 Aug 2005 Location: Va Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Lone Wolf Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Aug 2005 at 11:24am
	Cal, Lane splitting is where motorcycles may ride on the staggered white line separating two lanes of same directional travel, between automobiles, both when traffic is moving at less than expressway speed and when stopped. It is an allowable practice in CA. lw....Ride on

RCA Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote RCA Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Aug 2005 at 11:23am
	quote: Originally posted by shahedC [br]msticaries, when the car is entering the ramp, they have no choice but to enter the HOV, they can't back out, right? If you were going to harm one of your children, hypothetically speaking, it's true that you won't be guilty of anything until you actually do..... but the car analogy would be comparable if you said that you fired a gun at your child, and the bullet was on its way to hitting the person. At that point, you are so far gone, that you already guilty of the crime about to be committed, there's no backing out. Are you kidding me? No pun intended. There is a thing called "Conspiracy to Commit" and people are prosecuted with it ALL THE TIME! Someone getting on the ramp not only did so with the intention of getting on HOV, but is also unable to go any other place but HOV. Agreed?

RCA Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote RCA Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Aug 2005 at 11:16am
	Considering I saw at least 4 violators drive smooth past the police picnic - I'd say the strategy was flawed. I saw more officers waiving signs and laughing with each other than observing the lanes. I even saw a motorcycle cop on the left shoulder flying past traffic with siren blazing JUST TO GET TO THE PICNIC that his fellow officers were so graciously holding. Now, I'm not saying it's the indians fault for doing what the chiefs order them to do - and I'm not saying that HOV enforcement is a bad thing...but when you gridlock a 10 mile stretch of highway simply because your plan of execution was flawed I do have a problem. I read on a previous post that Officers can't pull over drivers on "on ramps" that is wrong. That would be like saying "I saw the guy jimmy the lock and get in the car, but he never actually drove away in it" or " I saw the guy walk into the bank with a handgun but he didn't attempt to rob anyone"...Does that mean all those folks I see everyday pulled over on the Woodbridge HOV exit shouldn't be allowed to be ticketed - I mean TECHNICALLY they are not on the HOV anymore... If there are cars entering the HOV without 3 riders - and you can't ticket them - the least you could do is SERVE THEM a plate of information and PROTECT them from violating the law - but TURNING THEM AROUND...or make them sit there until traffic is free and clear and they can back out. Either way - locking up the HOV at that over-pass.......priceless.

carleric Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 22 Apr 2004 Location: va Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote carleric Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Aug 2005 at 11:13am
	Forgive my non-biker ignorance, but what is lane splitting? I know what I think it sounds like, but I think I'm better served by actually asking people with knowledge... :)

SpotsySlugBug Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 02 May 2005 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote SpotsySlugBug Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Aug 2005 at 10:47am
	Msti -- yes, regarding the fines. maybe their website needs to be updated....or maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part... [;)] quote: Originally posted by msticaries [br]Spotsy, you checked the VDOT website re: fines? Moody: If you have kids tell me you have NEVER once thought of killing the little boogers. not that I ever would. :)

Lone Wolf Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 19 Aug 2005 Location: Va Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Lone Wolf Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Aug 2005 at 10:25am
	Yes. On a visit to a friend's place in Sacremento few years ago. The experience WAS nerve wracking. Certainly shoulders would be preferable.

122582 Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 28 Apr 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote 122582 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Aug 2005 at 9:44am
	Hey Wolf, You ever tried lane splitting in CA? I really had to watch peoples mirrors - they would open doors on you just to be butt heads. Legalizing riding the shoulders might be safer.

VA4ver Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 09 Feb 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote VA4ver Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Aug 2005 at 9:30am
	The radio said they ticketed 52 cars. Today I saw two more.