"8 Mile Backup" ?

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   You got that right.  We should ask good ole Bud what he is talking about.  I bet its some pre-done response to this morning's problem.  I bet a lot of us complained.  I might send Bud an email asking him what initiatives the public is supporting.  lol

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EnufisEnuf Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 29 Dec 2004 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote EnufisEnuf Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Aug 2005 at 3:54pm
	You got that right. We should ask good ole Bud what he is talking about. I bet its some pre-done response to this morning's problem. I bet a lot of us complained. I might send Bud an email asking him what initiatives the public is supporting. lol

cedarcitynative Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 09 Jan 2004 Location: Virginia Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote cedarcitynative Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Aug 2005 at 3:42pm
	quote: Originally posted by koakui [br]Well I got my response to my email. They were pretty quick. Here it is: Lieutenant Colonel E.A. Stockton, Director of the Bureau of Field Operations for the Virginia State Police asked that I thank you for and respond to your e-mail of August 18, 2005 concerning HOV enforcement. I regret your displeasure with the State Police regarding HOV enforcement. Please be assured that it is not the intent of the State Police to impede the flow of traffic, or disrupt the commute for law abiding motorists in the HOV lanes. In response to growing public complaints and an increased frequency of HOV violations we implemented a program to increase enforcement and visibility on the HOV lanes to address those violators who routinely use the HOV lanes for their commute. This enforcement initiative has been effective, and well received in the Northern Virginia region by motorists who legally utilize the HOV lanes routinely. I am forwarding a copy of your e-mail to our Division Headquarters in Fairfax to make them aware of your concerns regarding the enforcement methodology utilized to identify violators. Bud Cox Business Manager Virginia State Police 804-674-2127 Bud.Cox@vsp.virginia.gov What enforcement initiative is he referring to: causing 8 mile backups which brought this morning's commute to a standstill and cost businesses $1,000s in lost productivity. Certainly not something, I, as a commuter, would laud them for.

avalanche22 Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Location: va Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote avalanche22 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Aug 2005 at 3:41pm
	I would love to see that. You should of asked somebody to take a picture. Digit camera, picture phone something. That would of been priceless. lol....

cedarcitynative Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 09 Jan 2004 Location: Virginia Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote cedarcitynative Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Aug 2005 at 3:38pm
	quote: Originally posted by MDC [br]It would have been worth it if I had seen one of the Hybrids without proper credentials pulled over, but I didn't. I guess I was lucky that it was only backed up to Lorton at 6:30. I saw a white 2005 Prius without CF/CX plates pulled over just south of Springfield this morning. Oops, it made me smile!

msticaries Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Location: va Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote msticaries Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Aug 2005 at 3:25pm
	quote: Originally posted by SpotsySlugBug [br]INCREASE THE HOV FINES!!! 1st offense $500 + court costs 2nd offense $1000 + court costs 3rd offense lose license for 2 months + 2 points on driving record Ok, maybe this is a little extreme, but something needs to change. Obviously some people are willing to risk a $50 ticket for a first offense. There would be a lot less violators if it were $500! Those [:o)] would think twice. I believe it's $150 first offense and 2 points on your driving record. :)

koakui Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 19 Jun 2003 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote koakui Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Aug 2005 at 3:16pm
	Well I got my response to my email. They were pretty quick. Here it is: Lieutenant Colonel E.A. Stockton, Director of the Bureau of Field Operations for the Virginia State Police asked that I thank you for and respond to your e-mail of August 18, 2005 concerning HOV enforcement. I regret your displeasure with the State Police regarding HOV enforcement. Please be assured that it is not the intent of the State Police to impede the flow of traffic, or disrupt the commute for law abiding motorists in the HOV lanes. In response to growing public complaints and an increased frequency of HOV violations we implemented a program to increase enforcement and visibility on the HOV lanes to address those violators who routinely use the HOV lanes for their commute. This enforcement initiative has been effective, and well received in the Northern Virginia region by motorists who legally utilize the HOV lanes routinely. I am forwarding a copy of your e-mail to our Division Headquarters in Fairfax to make them aware of your concerns regarding the enforcement methodology utilized to identify violators. Bud Cox Business Manager Virginia State Police 804-674-2127 Bud.Cox@vsp.virginia.gov

SpotsySlugBug Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 02 May 2005 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote SpotsySlugBug Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Aug 2005 at 3:09pm
	INCREASE THE HOV FINES!!! 1st offense $500 + court costs 2nd offense $1000 + court costs 3rd offense lose license for 2 months + 2 points on driving record Ok, maybe this is a little extreme, but something needs to change. Obviously some people are willing to risk a $50 ticket for a first offense. There would be a lot less violators if it were $500! Those [:o)] would think twice.

msticaries Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Location: va Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote msticaries Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Aug 2005 at 3:02pm
	quote: Originally posted by shahedC [br]msticaries, when the car is entering the ramp, they have no choice but to enter the HOV, they can't back out, right? If you were going to harm one of your children, hypothetically speaking, it's true that you won't be guilty of anything until you actually do..... but the car analogy would be comparable if you said that you fired a gun at your child, and the bullet was on its way to hitting the person. At that point, you are so far gone, that you already guilty of the crime about to be committed, there's no backing out. Someone getting on the ramp not only did so with the intention of getting on HOV, but is also unable to go any other place but HOV. Agreed? I can agree. Hmm wonder if it would hold up in Court? Never mind I don't want to test it. :) I think they should be ticketed entering the HOV just as if they were already in the lanes. I do however think it would be easier to have the officers at the exit ramps all the way down the HOV corridor. btw, I would never harm any of my children. :)

shahedC Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 25 Oct 2003 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote shahedC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Aug 2005 at 2:53pm
	msticaries, when the car is entering the ramp, they have no choice but to enter the HOV, they can't back out, right? If you were going to harm one of your children, hypothetically speaking, it's true that you won't be guilty of anything until you actually do..... but the car analogy would be comparable if you said that you fired a gun at your child, and the bullet was on its way to hitting the person. At that point, you are so far gone, that you already guilty of the crime about to be committed, there's no backing out. Someone getting on the ramp not only did so with the intention of getting on HOV, but is also unable to go any other place but HOV. Agreed?

msticaries Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Location: va Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote msticaries Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Aug 2005 at 2:49pm
	Look at it this way, every time I want to kill one of my kids, it could be argued that I INTEND to kill them, but until I acutally do. . . thus one must be in the HOV Lanes before being ticketed. A friend of mind has a hybrid without the clean fuel plates and last week as she was exiting the HOV lanes she was stopped and told to get her plates because they are going to start ticketing the hybrids without clean fuel plates.