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Posted: 16 Jul 2008 at 8:25am

Stop poking the @#$%@#$@# troll!

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Posted: 15 Jul 2008 at 12:34pm

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Yes, and 3 people in ONE hybrid is better still! Fill up those empty seats NoSUV! Until you do, you will just be another SOV snob, even worse a hybrid-driving, self-righteous SOV snob.

Which brings up a good point: if you don't carpool or slug, why are you cloging up the "slug-lines" forum with your anti-slugging propiganda?

raymond, even better - why don't YOU buy a hybrid and drive? Until then, you will just be another slug snob, even worse, a non-environmental, gas guzzling, self-righteous, freeloading slug snob.

That's great advice, however I choose not to add to the 15,000,000 new cars that are bought and entered into service each year in the US alone! I choose not to spend $30,000. or more to feed the most destructive industry in the history of mankind, autos. I wouldn't even spend your money on a bandaid, red-herring, marketing-hype, bogus-solution hybrid that, oh yeah, burns good old fossil fuel. Hypocrite! You bought the hype, and it is costing you dearly!

I choose instead to keep my old, used nissan, and park it each morning while I slug, taking yet another car off the road and adding 0% to the smog, fuel consumption, and traffic mess that you add to. And on occasion, I choose to drive and fill up my seats while I take three other cars off the road, and get over 80 MPGs per passenger in my car (vs. maybe 40 passenger MPGs in your SOV hybrid).

Gas guzzling? 80+ passenger MPGs, hmmm, not quite!
Self-righteous? Have you been talking to my wife?
Free-loading? Ask the slugs I gave rides to the other day about that!

raymond - your discussions has many, many gaps in logic.

You claim that by parking your old, used nissan that you contribute 0% to smog, etc. Yet, you MUST drive that vehicle as a minimum to get to and from the commuter lot - and you likely drive it for other purposes as well. Everytime you have that old, used nissan running you are making the environment far, far worse than if you instead were running a hybird.

Then, you claim that on occasion, you choose to drive that old, used nissan for the entire commute. That means that you are contributing far more that that 0% that you previously claimed, and unless you are carrying 4 passengers, you are making the environment worse than if you commuted SOV with a hybrid.

Get with it, raymond - if you had bought a hybrid with all of the $ you saved being a freeloader, then you'd not only be doing the world a favor by lowering your fuel consumption and bettering the environment, but you'd be saving money over that old, used nissan.

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Posted: 15 Jul 2008 at 11:34am

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Yes, and 3 people in ONE hybrid is better still! Fill up those empty seats NoSUV! Until you do, you will just be another SOV snob, even worse a hybrid-driving, self-righteous SOV snob.

Which brings up a good point: if you don't carpool or slug, why are you cloging up the "slug-lines" forum with your anti-slugging propiganda?

raymond, even better - why don't YOU buy a hybrid and drive? Until then, you will just be another slug snob, even worse, a non-environmental, gas guzzling, self-righteous, freeloading slug snob.

That's great advice, however I choose not to add to the 15,000,000 new cars that are bought and entered into service each year in the US alone! I choose not to spend $30,000. or more to feed the most destructive industry in the history of mankind, autos. I wouldn't even spend your money on a bandaid, red-herring, marketing-hype, bogus-solution hybrid that, oh yeah, burns good old fossil fuel. Hypocrite! You bought the hype, and it is costing you dearly!

I choose instead to keep my old, used nissan, and park it each morning while I slug, taking yet another car off the road and adding 0% to the smog, fuel consumption, and traffic mess that you add to. And on occasion, I choose to drive and fill up my seats while I take three other cars off the road, and get over 80 MPGs per passenger in my car (vs. maybe 40 passenger MPGs in your SOV hybrid).

Gas guzzling? 80+ passenger MPGs, hmmm, not quite!
Self-righteous? Have you been talking to my wife?
Free-loading? Ask the slugs I gave rides to the other day about that!

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Posted: 14 Jul 2008 at 8:45pm

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Which brings up a good point: if you don't carpool or slug, why are you cloging up the "slug-lines" forum with your anti-slugging propiganda?

since you have problems reading it at the beginning of the board"

"Hybrids: This area is devoted to the discussion of hybrid vehicles and their impact to the HOV."

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Posted: 14 Jul 2008 at 4:22pm

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Yes, and 3 people in ONE hybrid is better still! Fill up those empty seats NoSUV! Until you do, you will just be another SOV snob, even worse a hybrid-driving, self-righteous SOV snob.

Which brings up a good point: if you don't carpool or slug, why are you cloging up the "slug-lines" forum with your anti-slugging propiganda?

raymond, even better - why don't YOU buy a hybrid and drive? Until then, you will just be another slug snob, even worse, a non-environmental, gas guzzling, self-righteous, freeloading slug snob.

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Posted: 14 Jul 2008 at 3:24pm

Yes, and 3 people in ONE hybrid is better still! Fill up those empty seats NoSUV! Until you do, you will just be another SOV snob, even worse a hybrid-driving, self-righteous SOV snob.

Which brings up a good point: if you don't carpool or slug, why are you cloging up the "slug-lines" forum with your anti-slugging propiganda?

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Posted: 10 Jul 2008 at 9:36am

The article I have from WP 6/24/07 page C2 says that "[Nitrogen Oxide] combne[s] with hydrocarbons to form ground-level ozone."

The article also reports on Code Orange, Red and Purple days, and states "The main concerns in the Washington area are levels of fine particles and ozone. In summer ozone is the main concern." And later "Care emissions account for a little more than a third of ozone."

It discusses the 3 factors that determine how much vehicles pollute:
- type/weight
- age
- speed

Finally,
"In Virginia, solo hybrid drivers are allwoed to use HOV lanes, a perk that annoys many carpoolers who think hybrids clog the lanes and defeat one of the primary purposes of carpooling: getting more people in fewer cars to cut down on pollution. Three people in one car is better than three people in three hybrids, they reason. They may be right as far as congestion goes, but not on air quality."

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Posted: 09 Jul 2008 at 3:54pm

Here's an article on air pollution and includes a discussion on N2O NO and NO2. Since we are discussing NOx and not nitrous oxide, please try to focus on that part of the article.

"Nitrogen dioxide is generally not considered a pollutant because it is not toxic and usually not produced by humans." That's NO2

"no evidence of NO damage has ever been seen outside the laboratory."

http://www.umich.edu/~gs265/society/pollution.htm

And, FYI, my 1991 Acura Integra had it's emissions tested several times and the result was .01 for NOx.

Why you bring up NOx when someone else discusses CO2 levels from Hybrids and non-hybrids is beyond me.

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Posted: 07 Jul 2008 at 4:47pm

And where do you suppose they got it from?

Or are you one of those wing nuts who believes that all of the statistics in the Post are made up?

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