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NoSUV
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mdog,
Please enlighten all of us with which of those vehicles qualified for Clean Special Fuel plates by VDOT. Now, let's review the REAL statistics: NOx (that's nitrogen oxide) in grams/mile: Light duty hybrid: .02 Passenger car: .10 Light duty truck 2: .30 (like Jeep Cherokee, Dodge Caravan) Light duty truck 4: .60 (like Ford F-150, Land Rover) Heavy duty truck: .90 (like Hummer) Now, perhaps you can do the simple math and try to divide .9 by .02 and let us know if you come up with a different number than 45. Keep trying mdog - you just embarrass yourself. |
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mdog
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Stop embarassing yourself. Just stop. Go to the DOE site and check the auto data:
Carbon Footprint Prius - 4.1 tonns Focus - 5.6 tonns Cobalt - 5.9 tonns And just to prove the diminishing returns: Lexus LS 460 - 7.7 tonns Lexus LS 600h - 8.3 (!) tonns - more than non-hybrid version And so you understand the validity of the WP writers: Hammer H3 - 11.4 (which is less than 3 times more than Prius) If you want me to embarass you more, keep quoting WP and other "papers". We'll all laugh. |
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NoSUV
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quote: mdog - as usual, you are wrong. I used The Washington Post for my source. What did you use? It's not about the MPG, but the emissions. A Cobalt is far, far worse than 3 hybrids with it's emissions - it needs to be HOV-5 to keep up with one! It's just a nice benefit that the hybrid ALSO gets great mileage. Please, mdog, find some reputable source for your spoutings. |
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mdog
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NoSUV, no it's you who's refusing to face the facts: hybrids are not 5x more efficient than comparable cars. Even more, hybrids efficiency is a function of diminishing returns, and the bigger/heavier the hybrid, the less it's advantage with a comparable non-hybrid car. Good example - Lexus LS. Stop comparing your Prius to a Hammer. Compare it with Focus, Chevy Cobalt, Nissan Versa. Compare their mileage @ 60-70 MPG. The real one, not 'EPA estimate'. A Cobalt with 3 occupants does at least twice smaller damage to the environment than 3 hybrids. Plain and simple.
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NoSUV
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quote: And the "most efficient speed" for your vehicle is what - 35 mph? Is that the speed at which you travel? How efficient is YOUR vehicle at 70? Instead of distorting facts, how about some more useful information. Figures don't lie, but liars figure. |
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NoSUV
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quote: The newspaper article compared a Prius first to like compact vehicles and came up with the 5x. It then compared to a big SUV and showed that the emissions was 15x. Finally, it compared to a hummer - 45x. |
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mdog
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sluDgE, according to NoSUV, hybrids produce completely different type of emissions. Those that are known to heal cancer and bring peace on Earth. Continiously. [:p]
From http://www.hybridcars.com/gas-mileage-factors/aggressive-driving-and-gas-mileage.html: quote: It's obvious hybrids shine - and belong!- in cities and stop-n-go traffic. They have no place on HOV. |
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sluDgE
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NoSUV, Are you saying that a Prius' emissions at highway speeds are five times less than a new Chevy Aveo or new Ford Focus also at highway speeds? That's amazing. Please show us the comparison facts between those three vehicles and your source for that info.
The info I remember (from some news article that mentioned "5 times") compared a Prius to a big SUV (like a Tahoe or Expedition). |
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NoSUV
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mdog,
Asked and answered previously. Your assertations are completely baseless. There have been several postings about the 100% recycling programs from more than one web source. How do you define marginally? The emissions are 5x less. |
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mdog
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Overall your hybrid does a comparable, if not a bigger damage on the environment than a comparable car. Yes, it may be marginally more efficient than say Chevy Aveo of Ford Focus (esp. on paper [:D]), but where do you think all the lead and acid and other stuff for the batteries is coming from and goes to?
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