Anti-hybrid road rage

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   I am not sure I understand the purpose in the exchanges with NoSUV.  If you say the sky is blue, he will surely say the sky is red.  If you say it might be gray, he will surely twist your words against you and say that proves the sky is red.  If you said saying it might be gray did not mean its red, and he misunderstood you, he will say you agreed as a logical extension that his view of the world that the sky is red is correct.  I mean what is the point?  It don't matter that everyone in the world knows the sky is really blue, and sometimes gray during the winter, all that matters to him is that he THINKS it is red, and your opinion really will never change his opinion even if the facts do not support him.  

	I guess I don't understand the purpose of engaging him when he clearly has no interest in the truth...

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CallmeMrSlug Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 21 Mar 2005 Location: Virginia Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote CallmeMrSlug Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 Apr 2006 at 3:14pm
	I am not sure I understand the purpose in the exchanges with NoSUV. If you say the sky is blue, he will surely say the sky is red. If you say it might be gray, he will surely twist your words against you and say that proves the sky is red. If you said saying it might be gray did not mean its red, and he misunderstood you, he will say you agreed as a logical extension that his view of the world that the sky is red is correct. I mean what is the point? It don't matter that everyone in the world knows the sky is really blue, and sometimes gray during the winter, all that matters to him is that he THINKS it is red, and your opinion really will never change his opinion even if the facts do not support him. I guess I don't understand the purpose of engaging him when he clearly has no interest in the truth...

MDC Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 04 Dec 2002 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote MDC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 Apr 2006 at 2:12pm
	NoSUV, Using your logic, there are no HOV restricted hours now...

N_or_S_bound Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 20 May 2005 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote N_or_S_bound Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 Apr 2006 at 10:37am
	NoSUV, You gotta suck this one up bud. http://www.virginiadot.org/comtravel/hov-default.asp#nova Probably more "authoritative" than either your or my or mdc's logic can withstand. NoSb SOV because you can, HOV because you care!

NoSUV Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote NoSUV Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 Apr 2006 at 7:57am
	MDC: It appears as though you agreed that HOV hours should be reduced. Seems to be the most logical conclusion from your posts. Don't forget, they are NOT HOV lanes - they are express lanes. Use your fingers to figure out the number of hours the lanes are used for HOV, and then remove your socks and shoes to help you count the number of hours the lanes are not used for HOV. Rarely if ever do you name something after its minority use.

MDC Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 04 Dec 2002 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote MDC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 Apr 2006 at 2:42pm
	I suggested reducing the time that special SOVs could legally be in HOV. Where are you going wrong?

NoSUV Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote NoSUV Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 Apr 2006 at 7:40am
	MDC: I gather you will be leading the charge to reduce the hours of HOV use. Thanks! BTW, no traffic in the express lanes on I-395 again yesterday afternoon, but backups in the regular lanes - of course, WITH the hybrid exemption in place. How much longer do you think it will take before VDOT and the legislature realize that the HOV hours need reduction? Also fascinating to see that the dire predictions about the horrors from exending the hybrid exemption have failed to materialize. Looks like the legislators got that one right!

MDC Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 04 Dec 2002 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote MDC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 Apr 2006 at 3:17pm
	Great! "CF" plated cars must have 3 from now on between 6-8:30AM, and 4-6PM. That will help immensely.

NoSUV Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote NoSUV Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 Apr 2006 at 1:10pm
	Why, yes, MDC, I HAVE used the express lanes then - but usually from 0640 - 0650, and 1630 - 1640 (about 10 min each way on I-395). Actually, you have a GREAT suggestion - the HOV hours should be reduced as you recommend.

MDC Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 04 Dec 2002 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote MDC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 Apr 2006 at 12:06pm
	I suggest we accommodate NoSUV. CF plated cars can use HOV between 8:30-9AM, and 3:30-4PM. It's obvious that is when NoSUV uses them. .

Wagonman Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 05 Aug 2003 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Wagonman Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 Apr 2006 at 5:48pm
	quote: Originally posted by NoSUV [br]Wow, Bob! Hard to believe that every legislator in Virginia is in the pocket of the auto lobby. Wasn't the vote nearly overwhelming? Did ya ever think that YOU were out of step? Uh, go look up campaign financing for Virginia. Car dealers are easily one of the most powerful lobbies. They are in every district and they all give money. http://www.vpap.org/cands/cand_cmtes_level1.cfm?CmteID=Htransport&CmteName=House%20Transportation http://www.vpap.org/cands/cand_cmtes_level1.cfm?CmteID=Stransport&CmteName=Senate%20Transportation In looking at these numbers, what stikes me as odd is that Delegate Brian Moran from Alexandria got over $20,000 from auto dealers. That's a huge chunk of change for state politics. He isn't from an area you'd expect big auto money for.