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NoSUV
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MDC - not what I wrote. What I said was that you need to be more specific when complaining. When people state that the express lanes during HOV hours are clogged in the I95/I395, it's simple to pick it apart - I-395 faces no such express lane congestion. I gladly point that out to my delegate and senator, and I provide dates and times of my commute. When it comes to all or nothing, it's simple to show that the hybrid exemption does not have the negative impact touted by slugs, and many of the positive impacts for helping the environment and saving on fuel consumption.
On the other hand, I have no direct empirical knowledge of problems (or lack thereof) further south of the beltway. If I66 is also not a congestion concern because of hybrids (per herbs), then the all or nothing scenario favors the extension. Focus, MDC. Focus. |
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MDC
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It looks like NoSUV is fine with eliminating the CF exemption on I-95 as long as it doesn't affect his ability to SOV in the HOV lanes on I-395.
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herbs
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quote: Annd the anti-hybrid push should be confined to that corridor. I-66 is fine, even with hybrids. |
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tangelo53
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quote: OK....did you not ready my post, Luddite? I am against SOV Hybrids!!! I am not against the Hybrids, but as I stated...I think they should pick up riders to make them "HOV-worthy"!! Get is? Sheesh. |
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N_or_S_bound
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NoSUV,
I like that. That is definitely a salient point worth considering (even if it does benefit you!). Would be nice to treat the 2 pieces of concrete ribbon as separate highways. That would serve, for a time, to make the portions that are particularly congested and problematic more manageable. I wonder if this has been discussed (RLD you know?). NoSb SOV because you can, HOV because you care! |
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NoSUV
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MDC- Perhaps the anti-hybrid ranting should be confined to I-95 then, instead of lumping I-395 in with it. Dilutes the valid argument when false information added to it.
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MDC
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NoSUV,
On portions of 95, the regular lanes are almost always faster than the HOV lanes. We don't make it to the speed limit except on special occassions either. |
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NoSUV
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Wow, Bob! Hard to believe that every legislator in Virginia is in the pocket of the auto lobby. Wasn't the vote nearly overwhelming?
Did ya ever think that YOU were out of step? Of course not! BTW - on I-395 express lanes during HOV hours, I still have to slow down to get to the speed limit. Can't say the same about the regular lanes. Did I say out of step? |
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Bob
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What we are seeing is influence peddling by the auto industry and other speacial interests. I'm sure if we were exposed to even 1 percent of what goes on on Capitol Hill we would be nauseated. In this case, we got a real good look at how the system works at the state level and how lobbyists corrupt the system.
The way I see the hybrid mess, the feds should have very strict control over what happens on the interstates. But they have copped out and handed it over to the states. In the case of construction the feds and states have copped out to get money from tolls because they dont have the spine to raise the gas tax or cut wasteful spending. On policies such as the hybrids, they have been bought by the auto lobby. It really is unconscionable for our state reps to abandon us and give no reason (that I have heard) other than "we dont control what comes out of committee, etc." Where is the SPINE? The hybrid exemption is wrong on principal, fairness, traffic analysis and every other measure other than lobbyist money. They should have voted NO on it, even if it gave us the "benefit" of the grandfather clause. (Next year they will extend it again, and again until HOT lanes come in). If anyone has any specifics on what was said re the hybrid vote by Lingamfelter, McQuigg or others please post it. |
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N_or_S_bound
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Yeah, but most get to "feel good" about themselves as they're driving a "green" car even in their own self-contained world that doesn't interact with the world of reality around them.
But...it is a done deal. The exemption is here to stay for whatever period of time they decided. The way VA State govt is set up allows a bad decision to perpetuate since there is no vested interest on the part of the legislators who passed the exemption. Unless there WAS a vested interest, but it wasn't for the voters in the state who can't vote for/against the legislators who carried the vote for the exemption. Nice how the scammers get to run their scam. Those who would "appear" loyal to their voting constituency by voting down the exemption still benefit from the PACs because they knew the measure was going to carry in the first place because enough votes were outside of the immediate area that their consituency didn't care about. Democracy (even as we practice it) isn't the best system, but it's better than any alternative we've come up with so far. NoSb SOV because you can, HOV because you care! |
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