Anti-hybrid road rage

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   MDC- Perhaps the anti-hybrid ranting should be confined to I-95 then, instead of lumping I-395 in with it. Dilutes the valid argument when false information added to it.

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NoSUV Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote NoSUV Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Mar 2006 at 6:50pm
	MDC- Perhaps the anti-hybrid ranting should be confined to I-95 then, instead of lumping I-395 in with it. Dilutes the valid argument when false information added to it.

N_or_S_bound Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 20 May 2005 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote N_or_S_bound Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 Mar 2006 at 7:30am
	NoSUV, I like that. That is definitely a salient point worth considering (even if it does benefit you!). Would be nice to treat the 2 pieces of concrete ribbon as separate highways. That would serve, for a time, to make the portions that are particularly congested and problematic more manageable. I wonder if this has been discussed (RLD you know?). NoSb SOV because you can, HOV because you care!

tangelo53 Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 23 Feb 2004 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote tangelo53 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 Mar 2006 at 8:21am
	quote: Originally posted by Luddite [br]Tangelo53, If you're not against SOV Hybrids, you're part of the problem. SOV Hybrids are not about the environment. They're about clogging the roads and selfishness. Take away the hybrid exemption on 395 and 66 and you'll see about as many flying cars as hybrids. Its simple. Hybrid ownership is about 98% free ride on HOV. Get it? Sheesh. OK....did you not ready my post, Luddite? I am against SOV Hybrids!!! I am not against the Hybrids, but as I stated...I think they should pick up riders to make them "HOV-worthy"!! Get is? Sheesh.

herbs Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 24 Mar 2006 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote herbs Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 Mar 2006 at 10:00pm
	quote: Originally posted by NoSUV [br]MDC- Perhaps the anti-hybrid ranting should be confined to I-95 then, instead of lumping I-395 in with it. Dilutes the valid argument when false information added to it. Annd the anti-hybrid push should be confined to that corridor. I-66 is fine, even with hybrids.

MDC Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 04 Dec 2002 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote MDC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 Mar 2006 at 12:28am
	It looks like NoSUV is fine with eliminating the CF exemption on I-95 as long as it doesn't affect his ability to SOV in the HOV lanes on I-395.

NoSUV Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote NoSUV Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 Mar 2006 at 5:34pm
	MDC - not what I wrote. What I said was that you need to be more specific when complaining. When people state that the express lanes during HOV hours are clogged in the I95/I395, it's simple to pick it apart - I-395 faces no such express lane congestion. I gladly point that out to my delegate and senator, and I provide dates and times of my commute. When it comes to all or nothing, it's simple to show that the hybrid exemption does not have the negative impact touted by slugs, and many of the positive impacts for helping the environment and saving on fuel consumption. On the other hand, I have no direct empirical knowledge of problems (or lack thereof) further south of the beltway. If I66 is also not a congestion concern because of hybrids (per herbs), then the all or nothing scenario favors the extension. Focus, MDC. Focus.

Wagonman Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 05 Aug 2003 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Wagonman Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 Apr 2006 at 5:48pm
	quote: Originally posted by NoSUV [br]Wow, Bob! Hard to believe that every legislator in Virginia is in the pocket of the auto lobby. Wasn't the vote nearly overwhelming? Did ya ever think that YOU were out of step? Uh, go look up campaign financing for Virginia. Car dealers are easily one of the most powerful lobbies. They are in every district and they all give money. http://www.vpap.org/cands/cand_cmtes_level1.cfm?CmteID=Htransport&CmteName=House%20Transportation http://www.vpap.org/cands/cand_cmtes_level1.cfm?CmteID=Stransport&CmteName=Senate%20Transportation In looking at these numbers, what stikes me as odd is that Delegate Brian Moran from Alexandria got over $20,000 from auto dealers. That's a huge chunk of change for state politics. He isn't from an area you'd expect big auto money for.

MDC Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 04 Dec 2002 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote MDC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 Apr 2006 at 12:06pm
	I suggest we accommodate NoSUV. CF plated cars can use HOV between 8:30-9AM, and 3:30-4PM. It's obvious that is when NoSUV uses them. .

NoSUV Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote NoSUV Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 Apr 2006 at 1:10pm
	Why, yes, MDC, I HAVE used the express lanes then - but usually from 0640 - 0650, and 1630 - 1640 (about 10 min each way on I-395). Actually, you have a GREAT suggestion - the HOV hours should be reduced as you recommend.

MDC Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 04 Dec 2002 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote MDC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 Apr 2006 at 3:17pm
	Great! "CF" plated cars must have 3 from now on between 6-8:30AM, and 4-6PM. That will help immensely.