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   Ugh... pocket-book democracy makes me sick. (this is not a jab to anyone in particular)

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rodmunera Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 04 Oct 2004 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote rodmunera Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: I'm so happy Posted: 09 Jul 2006 at 8:03pm
	Ugh... pocket-book democracy makes me sick. (this is not a jab to anyone in particular)

Luddite Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Luddite Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jul 2006 at 10:41am
	so what's happening in 14 months?

SpongeBob Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 06 Oct 2004 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote SpongeBob Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jul 2006 at 10:20am
	High-breds haven't killed HOV. It is still alive. And debating with NoSUV is wasteful of resources, like trying to teach a pig to sing. The High-bred debate is a smokescreen obscuring the far more important issue of HOT. The high-breddies won't have an exemption in 14 months or so, and slugging will be an historical curiousity, because the State of VA has abdicated its responsibility for transportation management on I-95 to a Texas company and an Australian conglomerate. You people worrying about high-breds need a frickin' reality check. And don't forget, motorcycles will be BANNED, that's right, BANNED from using the toll lanes at ALL times.

Luddite Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Luddite Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jul 2006 at 9:19am
	Wrong Rod. Sorry. There are no happy days ahead for HOV on 395. SOV hybrids are here to clog HOV forever. Feds gave up and left it to states. VA General Assembly doesn't listen to anything VDOT recommends and will undoubtedly extend solo hybrids again next year. I believe I know who you are Rod. I think we have slugged together and discussed traffic problems. I welcome your participation here although it is just a place to vent frustrations. The General Assembly doesn't even listen to their own departments, what makes you think this forum has a chance? Respectfully submitted. Oh. One more thing. I haven't been on this forum since the General Assembly officially screwed us, but after reading a few of the more recent posts, I see that people are still perpetuating the myth that the hybrid boom has something to do with the environment. Folks, its about riding solo(selfishness). Anyone really expecting to see a post-July 1, 2006 hybrid with three riders? Please. HYBRIDS KILLED HOV

N_or_S_bound Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 20 May 2005 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote N_or_S_bound Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jul 2006 at 8:57am
	One question and one question only to keep this little jabfest going: Which results in less pollution during a given daily commute, 3 people riding solo to/from the commuter lot (let's say 5 miles each way--prob less than that for most), then riding in one conventional gas-burning vehicle for the trip to/from their place of work or other transit waypoint OR 3 people riding solo in their gas/elec hybrids for the entire RT to/from their place of abode and work? I'll assume, maybe wrongly, that 3-in-1 results in less congestion than the 1-in-1 option; so, answer the question ON AVERAGE for the above framed inquiry. Thanks for your insights, now get your calculators out and start cracking away at that one. NoSb SOV because you can, HOV because you care!

rodmunera Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 04 Oct 2004 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote rodmunera Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jul 2006 at 3:25pm
	Ok rephrasing for the challenged: Apples and oranges, You're not asking people to ride without helmets to collect data. But you are asking people to be banned from HOV lanes to collect data. With me and motorcycles it's always about safety, but what does wearing helmets have to do with motorcycles riding the HOV?

NoSUV Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote NoSUV Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jul 2006 at 2:54pm
	quote: Originally posted by rodmunera [br]LOL!! motorcycle lobby!! You are too much! Apples and Oranges, you're not asking people to drive without helmets. So, are you saying that one is mandatory safety related and the other is optional? I'm confused. Do you mean to say that helmets are just a fashion statement? Either the use by motorcycles in HOV lanes is a safety matter or it isn't. Please make up your mind. If it is safety related, please provide verifiable facts/statistics.

rodmunera Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 04 Oct 2004 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote rodmunera Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jul 2006 at 2:37pm
	LOL!! motorcycle lobby!! You are too much! Apples and Oranges, you're not asking people to drive without helmets.

NoSUV Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote NoSUV Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jul 2006 at 1:58pm
	rod - do you suppose there are statistics for motorcycle helmets for accidents with and without their use? I would guess that there LIKELY is. I also suspect that if it were statistically relevant, there is data on motorcylce accidents in regular vs HOV lanes as a percentage of use. Or is it just that the motorcycle lobby is more powerful than the hybrid lobby?

rodmunera Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 04 Oct 2004 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote rodmunera Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jul 2006 at 10:37am
	There is no need for statistical data when scientific data is available (e.g. physics) But ok, let's argue: The only way to gather such data would be to take the traffic accident report of motorcycles riding on the regular lanes without HOV priviledges. Likely outcome: more accidents for motorcycle riders. The government is charged with the safety of its citizens while preserving their freedoms, so putting motorcycle riders at risk by removing them from the HOV lanes so that you can gather data to convince you of what the government already knows to be physically true, would be and unnecessary risk.