The HOV-3 to HOV-2 Suggestion |
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sluDgE
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NoSUV,
Are you suggesting opening up the morning I-395 HOV lanes at Edsall Road to all traffic to ease the regular lane backup from just south of Landmark (Duke St) to just north of Seminary Road? That's where it appears the worst morning I-395 backups occur inside the beltway. When we got on the HOV from Burke this morning at about 6:25, I-395 HOV traffic was moving at least 65 mph from Va 644 to just before the Pentagon exit. |
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NoSUV
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I-395 this morning in express lanes averaged 73 mph, and I was being passed! Shel - THERE IS NO CONGESTION on I-395 in the express lanes!!! And, Shel, if you read my previous post, you can clearly see that my reference was to I-395. What is it with you people and inability to read?
Now, the congestion problem is far less due to hybrid exemption than population growth. Is there anyone posting here who disputes that the population has increased since the last time lanes were added? Or are slugs doing the ostrich on this topic as well? Have any of you noticed the increase in congestion in the regular lanes? CAN YOU LOOK TO YOUR RIGHT ON YOUR COMMUTE? OF course, you selfishly refuse to acknowledge what nearly everyone else has said about the region that the regular lanes are far more clogged now than they were, and that the average commute in them is well out of proportion with the express lane slow downs. None of you have put forth a workable transportation solution except to whine that YOU should have access to the express lanes yet no one else should. Even though, especially on I-395, they rarely travel below the speed limit. |
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getmehome pweeze
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YES- a SMART newbie!! Welcome slugjo.
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slugjo
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Once again, I observe all you others engaging NoSUV in futile discussion after he, once again, demonstrates that he is arguing from a position of ignorance and denial and is unable to evaluate the validity of his own argument. Ignorance: he only uses a few miles of the express lanes between Edsall Road and DC, and never experiences the express lane clogs between Potomac Mills and Springfield or at the southbound merge at Dumfries. Denial: he won't admit that traffic congestion is the problem of main concern on this forum or that congestion is a greater contributor to fuel consumption and emissions than drive system design.
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shelbybrynn
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NoSUV,
You are clearly only concerned about the hybrid exemption because you own one. Surely, you are not suggesting that the HOV lanes are not congested. Of course there are times when it is LESS congested, but there are still plenty of backups on the HOV on a regular basis. The reason for this, the huge increase in hybrid vehicles (gotta credit the lack of law enforcement for the violators on this one too). I love the hybrid technology as it is more fuel efficient, but the real goal we should be trying attain, is to get more cars off the roads. The only way to achieve this is to promote mass transit, and slugging. You are hurting yourself in the long run if you SOV'it as you are really just making your commute, and everyone else's longer. |
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N_or_S_bound
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One more time....
More cars congesting roads isn't "clearly better for the environment". Less cars of all types, flowing smoothly, IS clearly better for the environment. And for those who are into "income redistribution" (as clearly hybrid buyers are), go socialist! NoSb SOV because you can, HOV because you care! |
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NoSUV
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But the express lanes on I-395 are NOT congested, and the regular lanes are!
Did everyone see the incentives other localities are using such as reduced parking? Unfortunately, that decreases revenue and becomes an indirect tax increase for others. Hybrid exemption doesn't cost taxpayers and needs to be extended - clearly better for the environment than non-hybrid vehicles, and the more non-taxpayer incentives there are, the better. |
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shelbybrynn
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I agree with Colossus on this one. They need to keep it HOV-3 and they need to make the hybrids adhere to the same rules as everyone else. The point is to get as many cars off the road as you possibly can.
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colossus911
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NO!!! I would urge a strong no to dropping the limit. Would really hurt slugging, think of all the drivers would would only take one! The traffic in the main lanes is slow cause those people dont use their options. They CHOOSE to drive in slow lanes when they could slug, metro, bus or any other half dozen ways to work (I am sure someone boats up teh potomac from stafford everyday).
I think 3 is great, would be better if the otehr highways wend HOV-3. It pushes creative solutions for traffic, like slugging, or carpools. We shouldn't change it but expand it. |
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sluDgE
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Thanks, Bob.
Good info for all of us to know. I-95/395 HOV use has evolved over the years while other HOV use in Va has been HOV-2 from the get-go. It was interesting to see that ALL hybrids (those with the old and those with the new post-July 06 plates) can use the HOV-2 lanes on I-66 and I-64/264. So, in that way, the I-95/395 lanes are getting some congestion relief from additional SOV hybrid use by the law not allowing HOV-3 use by SOV hybrids with the new plates. |
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