The HOV-3 to HOV-2 Suggestion

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   Lol too funny all you.  I complain all the time about the 14th st bridge merge lanes into HOV and how badly they slow down my commute, so I would strongly, STRONGLY oppose the elimination of HOV on 395.

	While the main lanes are slow, I would point out that those people CHOOSE to drive those lanes instead of slugging.  The HOV lanes move quickly as a REWARD!!! for the fact that we CHOOSE to carpool with multiple individuals.  The key here is its all about CHOICE.

	I CHOOSE to strongly oppose any effort to dilute the effiencicy of HOV by opening it to all the SOV vehicles in teh world (I oppose cops using it, SOV Hybrids using it, and any other SOV use out there)  I activly CHOOSE to support political candidates taht pay attention to my interest on this matter.  

	Am I selfish and self centered.  Heck YEAH!  Welcome to life in a free country.  When my colleagues complain about their commute up 395 I say, oh, I picked up slugs and was here in a jiffy.  Smiling the whole way.

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colossus911 Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 19 May 2006 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote colossus911 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 Sep 2006 at 10:10am
	Lol too funny all you. I complain all the time about the 14th st bridge merge lanes into HOV and how badly they slow down my commute, so I would strongly, STRONGLY oppose the elimination of HOV on 395. While the main lanes are slow, I would point out that those people CHOOSE to drive those lanes instead of slugging. The HOV lanes move quickly as a REWARD!!! for the fact that we CHOOSE to carpool with multiple individuals. The key here is its all about CHOICE. I CHOOSE to strongly oppose any effort to dilute the effiencicy of HOV by opening it to all the SOV vehicles in teh world (I oppose cops using it, SOV Hybrids using it, and any other SOV use out there) I activly CHOOSE to support political candidates taht pay attention to my interest on this matter. Am I selfish and self centered. Heck YEAH! Welcome to life in a free country. When my colleagues complain about their commute up 395 I say, oh, I picked up slugs and was here in a jiffy. Smiling the whole way.

NoSUV Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote NoSUV Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Sep 2006 at 2:45pm
	quote: Originally posted by shelbybrynn [br]NoSUV, HOV stands for High Occupancy Vehicle. The number 3 denotes that to be considered a High Occupancy Vehicle, you must have at least 3 people riding in your vehicle. No one on this board is against the hybrid vehicles. We are against selfish individuals, such as yourself, who choose to exasperate an already bad situation by being arrogant, Single Occupancy Drivers on the HOV-3 Lanes. It is really that simple. shel - well, you again missed the point. The lanes were NOT HOV at ANY time when originally put into use. The lanes on I66 are NOT HOV-3. The lanes on I95/I395 were NOT HOV-3 when HOV was first used with them - and motorcycles were not exempt until '94. E V O L U T I O N. The question here was on reducing to HOV-2 based on massive congesion in the regular lanes and next to NO congestion in the express lanes. Feel free to review posts in the hybrid section about hybrid hate - it has been and remains imbedded with many in the slugging community. Fortunately, not only does the rest of Virginia not agree with you, but also the rest of the world. It's that simple.

shelbybrynn Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 18 Sep 2002 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote shelbybrynn Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Sep 2006 at 2:45pm
	Amen Raymond!!

n/a Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 17 Dec 2001 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote n/a Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Sep 2006 at 2:22pm
	NoSUV, take the criticism of SOV hybrids personal if you want to, but few participants in this forum show animosity towards hybrids or hybrid drivers as a group or individuals. Its SOV hybrid drivers like you, who defend their right to drive solo and defy reasonable solutions to traffic/pollution/fuel consumption problems who personify the selfishness and egocentric behavoir that propigates what you describe as "hybrid hate." The fact that you do not participate in slugging, do not commute up I95/395, and will not be adversly affected by the HOT lanes, yet still post arrogant and defiant views here, reinforces your childish need for attention. And while at times I find it frustrating, your propensity to debate (and lame attempts at it) provides me with a vehicle to form opinions and viewpoints that are supported by reason, logic, courtesy, and common sense. While you spout SOV selfishness, it allows me to retort with views that advocate courtesy and consideration to my fellow commuters. Thank you NoSUV for your arrogance, it reinforces my positions.

shelbybrynn Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 18 Sep 2002 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote shelbybrynn Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Sep 2006 at 12:49pm
	NoSUV, HOV stands for High Occupancy Vehicle. The number 3 denotes that to be considered a High Occupancy Vehicle, you must have at least 3 people riding in your vehicle. No one on this board is against the hybrid vehicles. We are against selfish individuals, such as yourself, who choose to exasperate an already bad situation by being arrogant, Single Occupancy Drivers on the HOV-3 Lanes. It is really that simple.

NoSUV Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote NoSUV Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Sep 2006 at 11:49am
	shel - maybe you need to look at the history of the express lanes; their first use was NOT for carpools. Sponge - I had a short exchange with NoSB a few months back using personal email. NoSB on several occasions, unlike others who post here, indicated a sincere interest in resolving disputes. I live 1 light off of Little River Turnpike and I-495 and drive to Navy Yard. Slug lines require backtracking such that the commute with slugs is longer than just going in the regular lanes, and as you are aware, the slug demand for Navy Yard isn't all that great. I carpooled with another for about 3 months until he shifted to an office in Roslyn. I don't work for a corporation associated with toll roads. NoSB can only verify that we corresponded on personal email and that I provided similar information. I doubt that will satisfy you, but it is what it is. Nearly all of my over 500 posts have been to counter the anti-hybrid sentiments by slugs. Don't you find it hard to believe that there are over a post a day where slugs blast hybrids?

Bob Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 14 Dec 2001 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Bob Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Sep 2006 at 11:36am
	Works for Fluor. Title is Manager of Slug Harrassment. 120k per year.

SpongeBob Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 06 Oct 2004 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote SpongeBob Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Sep 2006 at 11:10am
	Lately, too many of these threads have been devolving into stupid disputes with the intransigent, incorrigible, and inaccurate Mr. NoSUV. His consistency is narcissistic: a thing is good if it requires no action or compromise on his part. Rather than form a carpool, ride the bus, slug, or ride-share in any way, NoSUV wants to drive alone, and because he can afford a new car, he wants a special exemption so that he can avoid the traffic congestion. He never shares a ride, as far as we can tell, but he pollutes our board with anti-ride-sharing diatribes -- which all come down to opening the HOV lanes to SOV's. Can anyone verify that Mr. NoSUV does not work for a corporation that stands to profit from the toll roads?

shelbybrynn Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 18 Sep 2002 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote shelbybrynn Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Sep 2006 at 10:25am
	NoSuv, 1. You are the one that needs a history lesson. I have lived in Stafford County since the 70's (I grew up there). I have been commuting to Northern Va./DC since 1989. I am fully aware of the population growth of the region and the traffic patterns in the area. The reason they came up with the HOV lanes in the first place was to promote mass transit/carpooling, hence getting more cars OFF the road, hence reducing congestion. The more this happens the less congestion there is. Do the math... 2. I absolutely love the hybrid/alternative fuel technology. If you have read any of my previous posts, you will see that I fully support the hybrid vehicles as a whole as it makes us less dependent on foreign oil and it helps the environment. I wish they would start making it standard technology in all vehicles. I actully drive a flex fuel vehicle currently. Unfortunately, there aren't many places around here offer the full ethenol fuel, but I have signed petitions to get that going too. Even if I were allowed to drive solo on the HOV, I wouldn't because all that does is add time to mine and other people's commutes. If you don't need your car, slug or take mass transit. If you do need your car, pick-up some friendly slugs. It is as simple as that. Funny you would call carpoolers selfish, we are the ones that take the extra time and effort to get cars off the road. The only selfish ones I see are the Single Occupancy Drivers out there. I think you need to take a good look in the mirror.

sluDgE Members Profile Find Members Posts Master Slug Joined: 27 Oct 2003 Status: Offline Points: 501	Post Options Post Reply Quote sluDgE Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Sep 2006 at 9:59am
	NoSUV, Just curious... Why do you choose to commute alone and not pick up a rider or two (or three) on your way to and from work? Have you ever told us sluggers and carpoolers about that?