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scottt
Senior Slug Joined: 12 May 2004 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 106 |
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quote: Quite right. Hybrids have no business in the HOV lanes (unless they have 3 or more) since they would get better gas mileage in bumper to bumper traffic than HOV |
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NoSUV
New Slug Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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scottt - better in bumper to bumper? Which scientific papers are you quoting? Do you have any empirical data?
Are you assuming that the vehicle does not accelerate in bumper to bumper? Or that it accelerates less than when at a near constant higher speed? Or are you just making things up because you so very much want to believe it? Buy a hybrid, try it out, then report back your actual findings. Right now, I'd have to say that you are wrong, wrong, wrong. |
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darkprime
New Slug Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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NoSUV, a hybrid recharges it's batteries when either a.) The engine turns the generator, which burns gas, b.) coasting shifts kinetic energy to the generator, c.) braking shifts kinetic energy to the generator.
When driving on the highway at a constant speed, you lose the benefits of options b and c. So to maximize battery generation to use more battery power (which would use less gas), you want to be coasting/braking a lot. You cannot do this on free flowing traffic at high speeds, otherwise you would cause an accident around here. But by staying on the regular lanes, you can coast and brake much more frequently. We all now though that you hate the regular lanes and thing you should be priveledged to drive SOV on the HOV. I think this is just a very elaborate plot of yours to clog the HOV lanes so that there is stop and go traffic on it, thus allowing you to get more efficient use out of your batteries. This seems unfortunately extremely selfish. |
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SpongeBob
New Slug Joined: 06 Oct 2004 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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NoSUV, if you read my earliest posts again you will see that I worked on climate change mitigation projects for two years. But I don't claim to be Mr. Greenjeans, like you.
The 15% to which I refer actually covers ALL transportation fuels, including those used by railroads, semis, ocean liners, automobiles, airplanes, helicopters, and Wonder Woman's invisible jet, too. Of the 15%, how much of that is from private autos? Not much, actually. Only automobiles are subject in the U.S. to emissions standards while the other fuel users can spew black clouds of diesel into the air. Your hybrid is a feel-good smug-machine in terms of its environmental impact. Want a good reason to own one? Reducing gasoline consumption reduces the need for the U.S. to maintain control of the Persian Gulf states. Driving a hybrid is like spitting in ExxonMobil's eye and managing to hit Dick Cheney at the same time! |
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NoSUV
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quote: darkprime, once again, constant speed = 0 acceleration. Rethink your option b. |
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SpongeBob
New Slug Joined: 06 Oct 2004 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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What, no reply to me, NoSUV? Funny how often that happens.
Or are you still aghast that you bought a Japanese car whose principle global effect will be to reduce, infinitesimely, America's hegemony? Are you a Cheney-lover? Look out! He's got a gun! [:)] |
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LDOMAJ
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quote: I would rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than riding in a car with Ed Kennedy...[^] |
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darkprime
New Slug Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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quote: Yes, constant speed = 0 acceleration. Constant Speed > 0 means you are either coasting downhill where friction is offsetting gravity, or you are using the engine. At constant speed, your hybrid batteries are not recharging UNLESS you are burning gas to do so. Even if you are using your batteries at constant speed, they will run out and you will only be using gas (and your little engine will work extra hard to maintain say 65-75 mph). |
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N_or_S_bound
New Slug Joined: 20 May 2005 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Ah, now is the time we raise the question again: Viewed from a holistic standpoint, does a hybrid increase or decrease the entire pollution? Realize, there's more than exhaust to be considered.
Consider production and disposal challenges. Not to mention all the marketing materials that were produced.... NoSb SOV because you can, HOV because you care! |
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Jody
New Slug Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Hi. Jody here. Thanks to all for responding to NoSUV's post to me, especially Hooch -- your response made me laugh.
Oh well. I'm still going to continue to email my delegates about this ongoing problem. |
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