Prefiled - Exemption for hybrids extended to 2008

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   100%?  Where did we say anything about the percentage?  You are, as usual, losing the argument and trying again to obfuscate the issues with peripheral diversions.  Stick to the point, NoSUV.  

	VDOT said two years ago the exemption should end.  Period.  

	The legislators, however, motivated by a deadly combination of ignorance (about the reality of the carpool lane congestion) and greed (for more car dealer contributions) over-ruled VDOT and put in an exemption.

	The lucky few who bought at the right time will continue to receive their little personal privilege at the expense of the ride-sharing majority.

	Selfish a-social greedholes like you will continue to agitate for your own comfort and convenience, but you can't, and you haven't, ever fooled those of us who read this board.  We know what your agenda is, and your lying claims of caring about the environment ring hollow in our ears.

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SpongeBob Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 06 Oct 2004 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote SpongeBob Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 Feb 2007 at 10:56am
	100%? Where did we say anything about the percentage? You are, as usual, losing the argument and trying again to obfuscate the issues with peripheral diversions. Stick to the point, NoSUV. VDOT said two years ago the exemption should end. Period. The legislators, however, motivated by a deadly combination of ignorance (about the reality of the carpool lane congestion) and greed (for more car dealer contributions) over-ruled VDOT and put in an exemption. The lucky few who bought at the right time will continue to receive their little personal privilege at the expense of the ride-sharing majority. Selfish a-social greedholes like you will continue to agitate for your own comfort and convenience, but you can't, and you haven't, ever fooled those of us who read this board. We know what your agenda is, and your lying claims of caring about the environment ring hollow in our ears.

NoSUV Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote NoSUV Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 Feb 2007 at 11:09am
	Sponge - the prefiled exemption extension was passed in the House of Delegates 97-0. How much closer to 100% can that be?

Bob Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 14 Dec 2001 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Bob Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 Feb 2007 at 11:17am
	While it is true that the vote was 97-0, I believe that is somewhat deceptive. The individual committees are the ones who craft the bills. Obviously, the lobbyists have been working on the committee members. The regular House members had a choice to vote yea or nea on the overall bill that extends the hybrids another year statewide. To vote No on it, they would have ended the hybrid exemption on 66 and in Norfolk. Bottom line is that it is the 7 or so members of the committee that control everything. It is also obvious that the anti 95 hybrid VDOT group has no clout.

NoSUV Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote NoSUV Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 Feb 2007 at 2:09pm
	Ah, but not even a single protest or conscience vote? Including YOUR delegate? Perhaps it instead shows that the anti-95 hybrid VDOT group is so grossly out of touch with reality that they do not diserve to have anyone of importance (and even you have to admit that delegates have some importance) pay attention to them. Also, delegates cannot remain in office if they do not represent the general will of their constituents. So, is it 100% of the delegates that are out of step, or the anti-hybrid posters on this board?

SpongeBob Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 06 Oct 2004 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote SpongeBob Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 Feb 2007 at 3:07pm
	Yes, 100% of the delegates are wrong. There. Satisfied? There was never a chance that any of the delegates were going to stop the bill. They are NEVER going to stop extending the exemption until they do away with carpooling altogether. When they convert all our highways to toll roads and set up a class-based transportation system here like they have in Russia (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/13/wruss13.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/02/13/ixworld.html) , only then will your little hybrid-based personal privilege come to an end. Selfish, arrogant, uncaring, self-congratulating smugs will get their fondest wish: a roadway where access is limited to those who can pay extra for it. But, ooops! Next time it won't be because they had the money for a new hybrid, it'll be based on the amount of truly disposable cash you have on board your car.

NoSUV Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote NoSUV Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 Feb 2007 at 3:35pm
	sponge - so, now you're calling ALL of the delegates smugs? Perhaps you need to think outside the box and figure out something that preserves the slug free ride system while catering to the overwhelming (that is, total) support for the hybrid exemption. As I've put on the HOT thread, try making allies, not enemies, especially when waging a war that the folks you are alienating are going to win.

Bob Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 14 Dec 2001 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Bob Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 Feb 2007 at 3:59pm
	I don't make a habit of even responding to our favorite troll, but I did some research on the House Transportation Committee. There is almost no representation from Northern Virginia. Del Rust of Herndon is apparently the sponsor, and he is of course from our region. However, since his constituents would use 66, they would not be concerned. So in my opinion, it is the committee makeup that is behind the lopsided nature of this. No one from Pr William or Stafford I believe.

sluDgE Members Profile Find Members Posts Master Slug Joined: 27 Oct 2003 Status: Offline Points: 501	Post Options Post Reply Quote sluDgE Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 Feb 2007 at 5:45pm
	Bob, What committees are the southern Fairfax, PW, Stafford, and Spotsy county delegates on? (Really? ... Is there no one represnting the NoVa I-95/395 corridor commuters on the Transportation Committee (TC)? What a shame!) [B)] And who decided they should not be on the TC? That seems very short-sighted on someone's part. If it's our delegates' own choices not to serve on the TC, it appears they chose poorly in representing one their constituents' top issues. [V] A delegate from Herndon probably avoids I-95 rush hour like the plague! [;)]

Bob Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 14 Dec 2001 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Bob Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 Feb 2007 at 8:32am
	OK, hope yall appreciate this. I looked up the committees for all of the N VA delegates (I have shortened the committee names) There are 4, 2 are repubs and 2 are dems. Albo/Springfield: Justice, General Laws Amundsen/ Mt Vernon: Counties, Sci and Tech, Rules Brink/Arlington: Privileges, Approp Bulova/Fairfax: General Laws, Agriculture Callahan/McLean: Approp., Commerce, Rules Capute/Chantilli: Finance, Health and Welfare Cole/ Fredericksburge: Privileges, Edu, Finance, Counties Ebbin (D)/ Arlington: Edu, TRANSPORTATION, Health Eisenburg/ Arlington: Agriculture, Sci and Tech Euglin/ Alexandria: Privledges, Health Frederick/Woodbridge: Priviledges, Edu, Finance, Health Howell/ Fredericksburg: Rules Hull/ Falls Church: Laws, Finance, Counties Hugo (R)/ Centerville: Commerce, TRANSPORTATION, Finance, Sci and Tech Lingamfelter/Woodbridge: Finance, Edu, Militia Marshall/ Manassas: Counties, Priviledgs, Sci and Tech May (R)/ Leesburg: Sci and Tech, TRANSPORTATION. Approp. McQuigg/ Occoquan: Gen Laws, Counties, Sci and Tech, Courts Miller/ Manasses: Privileges, Sci and Tech Moran (D)/ Alexandria: Courts, TRANSPORTATION, Health Plum/ Reston: Commerce, Ag, Sci and Tech Scott/ Merrifield: Privileges, Approp, Militia Shannon/ Vienna: Edu, Finance, Ag Sickles/ Alexandria: Priviledges, Commerce, Health Watts/ Annandale: Courts, Finance, Sci and Tech

Bob Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 14 Dec 2001 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Bob Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 Feb 2007 at 9:18am
	Troll, Your wonderful House voted last year to freeze the hybrids. They dont exactly agree with the positions you have stated over the past couple of years do they? And by the way, we all know who is posting the garbage on this site don't we? Rather obvious too.