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The current HOV system is, effectively, based on the honor system. If you started collecting tolls, you could funnel toll traffic through a booth while allowing HOV traffic to bypass the booth, and using the state police to watch the HOV flow and enforce the restriction much as they currently do....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SpongeBob Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Mar 2007 at 6:22pm
I've posted these quotes before, and just sent them to Eric:

"'If you're expecting to get HOV-3 and ride for free, it's not clear that's going to be possible at this stage,' said Ronald F. Kirby, transportation planning director of the Metropolitan Washington Council of Governments." Washington Post, 4-29-05 Page A01

and this email from a transportation expert to me:

"Mr. (redacted) -

As the report states, I am not familiar with any technology that allows for the independent, automated "counting" of vehicle occupants as the vehicle travels at highway speeds. For this reason, enforcement of HOV occupant restrictions is a manual process.

Hope this helps - have a good weekend as well.

Brian" (Smith, Ph.D. of UVA and a member of VDOT's HOT Advisory Committee.)
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The minute the lanes clog up, Fluor will tell VDOT it can no longer make money on the toll roads because people won't pay the toll if the road is clogged, and they need to end the free ride of the lowly slugs. That will be the beginning of the end for slugging as we know it. Who really expects VDOT to side with US in this situation. The next thing they do is charge really really high tolls, the kind only the rich can afford, to keep the HOV lanes moving. The result is a 90 minute commute on the main lanes from Woodbridge to DC and a 25 minute ride for the wealthy.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jadams08 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2007 at 4:03pm
I have one question. If everyone floods the HOT/HOV lanes won't that make it just that much harder to get north and south? So now the main lines and HOT/HOV lanes will be backed up!
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Eric,

Kafka's Feb. 13 article in potomacnews.com captures some of the political mis-direction on HOT lanes from supporters.

It is interesting that even though those quoted say they are exploring all options, this article is very pro-toll.

"This says to the federal government, 'we are serious about looking at alternatives so when you have a new project, you can also consider tolling,' " Lingamfelter said. "It decreases the burden on the shoulders of hardworking Virginians."

This is an outright lie! The burden will land squarely on my shoulders and on those of every other comuter.

"Tolls capture revenue from out of state travelers,..."

A statewide gas tax would also capture revenue from out of state travelers, and it would distribute this transportation cost burden over a much wider group of users thus reducing the impact on any one group. A statewide gas tax also restores some equity in the state's transportation cost distribution between NOVA (which has carried an unfairly large burden for too long) and the rest of the state. But of course, politicians don't like to promote taxes, even when they make sense.

Thanks goodness, "Two Northern Virginia senators were at first wary of the idea for fears that tolls would be placed on the Capital Beltway and Interstate 66.

Charging commuters going to Washington, D.C., or Maryland a daily toll could be "brutal," said Sen. Jeannemarie Devolites Davis, R-Vienna."

The sentiment is right, but misplaced,

"But those interstates could not be considered under this measure because there are already talks of charging tolls on those roads, said Barbara Reese, chief financial officer for the Virginia Department of Transportation."

"Plans are under way to build High Occupancy Toll lanes on Interstates 95, 395 and 495. Another study is under way to determine if congestion tolls would benefit traffic flow on I-66, Reese said."

Barbara Reese is a scoundrel! The CFO of VDOT has convinced everyone that tolls are the only way to improve transportation in NOVA. In actuallity, fiscal responsibility would be a good start! What has happened to our tax dollars that were supposed to be earmarked for transportation? Tolls may help her balance her books, but it is the tax payer who gets screwed in the end!
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Originally posted by EricWeissWashPost
[br]I wrote Saturday's HOT lane story.

Coupla points to add to discussion:

* There will be no toll booths; EZ-Pass transponders will deduct tolls
* Will remain HOV-3, at least for the beginning of service in 2010
* Company promises free carpools forever; assume VDOT will put it in contract
* No hybrid exemption is currently considered



Welcome to the forum, Eric! Make no mistake about it, there are many reasons that HOT is bad for Dc area commuters and the region overall.

While the proposed plan from Flour (FTS) has some very well defined methods of charging and collecting tolls, it has not resolved the question of how to check cars for the 3+ occupants that would exempt HOVs from being charged tolls. And I suspect that once the "system" is able to identify the many, many HOV vehicles that would be exempted as promised, they would be seen as targets to recoup "lost" revenue for TSB. It is very likely that FTS would seek to ammend the terms to recoup this lost revenue as a toll on HOV drivers.

The whole concept of toll express lanes provides those commuters with the means (affluence), to pay their way to a speedy commute. This will promote "affluent urban flight" from the close-in suburbs to the exurbs as those who can afford to pay tolls will move further out. HOT will undermine effective urban planning and promote exurban sprawl. It also erodes some very basic common-sense traffic/pollution/fossil fuel consumption reduction concepts such as car-pooling, mass transit and other auto-alternative commuting options. HOT promotes single driver, rich, exurban resident commuting; a concept that is outdated and has been proven harmful to our society.

By farming out the responsibility to maintain existing HOV lanes and the awarding rights to charge for usage to a private firm, VDOT is betraying area taxpayers who have paid to build these roads and who have paid taxes for years to VDOT to maintain them. True the roads are in desperate need of maintanence, but we have paid taxes for this for years. Now that the bill is coming due VDOT is shirking its responsibility and dumping the costs on to the backs of taxpayer/commuters in the form of tolls. This is a shell game, and taxpayers are getting taken to the cleaners.

I hope this provides an alternate view of HOT lanes, from a user and future toll payer. I am a commuter and a taxpayer, and I stand with my fellow commuter/taxpayers in opposition of HOT lanes.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Galah Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2007 at 8:28am

Thanks for the update Eric, nice to know you read the board (and post to it!)
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Eric,

A favor? .... when you do a follow-up on the story, can you get someone from the Virginia government (VDOT?) to go on the record about how exactly they will ensure the contractor charges the single drivers while letting the HOV3 car pools and commuter buses use the HOT lanes for free? The previous info we've seen has ranged from "use of good technology" to "it really can't be done".

It would also be interesting to get the contractor to go on the record on the same question, as well as providing us an explanation on the daily mechanics and procedures each type of commuter (e.g. paying and free) must follow to use the HOT lanes.

Thanks. We're looking forward to your follow-up. Happy sluggin'!
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Thanks for the info Eric.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote EricWeissWashPost Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Mar 2007 at 1:03pm
I wrote Saturday's HOT lane story.

Coupla points to add to discussion:

* There will be no toll booths; EZ-Pass transponders will deduct tolls
* Will remain HOV-3, at least for the beginning of service in 2010
* Company promises free carpools forever; assume VDOT will put it in contract
* No hybrid exemption is currently considered
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