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Originally posted by Checkers

Word has it that Potomac Mills is reducing commuter parking spaces to make way for proposed eateries -- fast food, of course -- and chain sitdown restaurants -- so the tired shopper won't leave after a "good" meal, and go forth and spend some more looking for the elusive bargain suggested by the word "Outlet".

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Potomac Mills Owner Proposes Upscale Mall
By Nikita Stewart
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, March 12, 2005; Page B02
The owner of Potomac Mills, the region's mecca of discount shopping, wants to develop a high-end retail mall nearby that would be surrounded by luxury lofts and sidewalk cafes to meet the demands of Prince William County's burgeoning group of well-heeled residents, officials said yesterday.
The company that helped define the county as the place to go for cheap clothes now says it's time to make a change, or at least "complement" the outlet mall with an alternative for upscale shoppers, said Ramsey Meiser, group vice president of development for Arlington-based Mills Corp.
"The changing demographics of the county, the growth, the average income justifies this kind of retail," Meiser said yesterday.
The proposed project, which would be called Potomac Center, follows a succession of announcements of upscale retailers, such as the Harris Teeter grocery chain and a Jaguar dealership, setting up shop in the county, which has long played second fiddle to its neighbors to the north. The county is also developing its first luxury hotel, a conference center and a $56 million performing arts center that would be modeled after the famous La Scala opera house in Milan.
The county's recent focus on developing single-family homes that are selling for as much as $1 million, instead of the cheaper townhouses that shaped its inferior image in the 1980s and '90s, has increased the need for more expensive retail, said Supervisor Martin E. Nohe (R-Coles).
The county's population has jumped to 332,555 from 280,813 in 2000, and in the same period, the median household income increased to $83,000 from about $66,000, according to recent U.S. Census Bureau figures.
"Then we tell people who are living in those big homes with the high-paying jobs to go to Tysons Corner to buy shoes," Nohe said, referring to the Fairfax County mall whose anchor stores include Nordstrom and Bloomingdale's.
Mills Corp. is proud of Potomac Mills, which was built in 1985 as the first in a chain of 18 outlet malls across the country and is one of Virginia's biggest tourist attractions. But Prince William needs more, Meiser said.
While visitors flock to Potomac Mills, a survey the company conducted showed that residents travel to Tysons Corner Center, Pentagon City in Arlington and Fair Oaks Mall in Fairfax to shop. "We've talked to people who say that's inconvenient," Meiser said.
Meiser said he could not reveal which retailers could serve as anchors for the project but said the company is in talks with two or three "full-price, high-end" stores.
At a meeting Tuesday, the Board of County Supervisors will consider whether to allow Mills Corp. to continue developing its plan. The 95-acre tract that the company wants to develop is zoned for commercial use and is pegged for office space in a master plan for the area.
The land, just east of Interstate 95 and south of Opitz Boulevard, could be better utilized as a mixed-use development that Mills Corp. is calling a "lifestyle center," Meiser said.
Potomac Mills is nearby, on the other side of I-95.
"Offices and loft apartments overlook the street below where fashionable shops, bookstores, restaurants and sidewalk cafes open to the tree-lined main street," the proposal reads. More multi-level apartments would be "nestled in wooded areas," which would give the project a total of 433 units, according to the proposal. In all, there would be 650,000 square feet of retail and 200,000 square feet in office space. Potomac Mills is 1.25 million square feet.
Mills Corp. is not alone in the venture. Lerner Enterprises, the Bethesda-based developer behind Tysons Corner and Dulles Town Center, would be its partner.
The two companies are trying to nurture a business relationship and see the Potomac Center as a way to develop that connection, Meiser said.


*****Does Upscale and Outlet belong in the same category**** If you get to upscale people will venture elsewhere for deals.
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First off, Potomac Mills hasn't been an "OUTLET" mall for some time. If you haven't noticed they stopped using that terminology a long time ago. My take on the growing PW County populations is that is was more affordable to live here so now we are going to make if unaffordable for the the "average person/family and the residents who already live here.

I don't think slug lines run out of the I-95/123 lot right now but with the current situation looming - now is the time to get them going. I know the Lake Ridge Buses go to this lot before swinging over to the old Hechinger lot.

It may take an extra few minutes to get to the lot but its better than sitting in the regular "95" lanes.

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A good point was made earlier that why are they closing the parking down now? They can't possibly be building already so what would be the point in reducing parking this early? Wouldn't it take months, possibly years for building to be started/completed?

I say let people park whereever they way. During the week, how many shoppers are there in the mall? Not a lot I would say, especially in this economy. I think we should have been told this a lot sooner than one month.
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I like PW county, but I've got news for the council. UPSCALE? who does the mall think is going to patronize these places? The people who can afford it (truly) won't want to be deluged by the ones trying to-- and they will abandon it. Traffic to get to PM on weekends is nightmarish, with 95 backed up in both directions. I realize that PM is trying to capitalize on the "American Dream", but they seem to have forgotten there is a recession. The mall took a hit when they reduced the parking last time, since most people who may have gone in on weekday evenings after work stopped doing that b/c they could no longer park there. They are going to take another hit. As a rule, I tend to avoid the mall anyway--it has truly digressed from when it first opened, and the most of the retailers hawk junk disguised as 'outlet'. So boycotting won't work, since most people boycott it anyway, either by design or intent. I wonder if the Mills corporation is as tuned into its customer base as it thinks. Most people I know who are slugging, especially closer to DC usually have the means to do shopping (ergo their commute), so why piss them off? Sure, the local economy may be good, but it gets better the closer into the city one moves. As for the other lots, 123 seems like an option, although getting there is a bear. Tacketts was there to pick up the brunt from PM, but has beens steadily filling up (including the overflow across the street) for some time now. I thought I saw construction for a new lot down the street from Tackett's. Anyone know anything about that?
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Originally posted by CJ

Just goes to show if you do something you don't have to people will eventually believe they're entitled to it. For 25 years Potomac Mills has been allowing 4x the amount of spaces it needed to for use as commuter spaces, now they want to put in some restaurants to make some money and help get the PWC economy moving and y'all want to boycott. If you want to protest- go to a PWC supervisors meeting and ask them why in the 25 years they had to create more commuter spaces they disregarded their duty.
I hope all of you that say you're going to boycott do so because then I will be able to shop there with out so many people in my way. But realistically since your mall options are in Stafford (I'm not even sure that counts as a mall), Manassas (good luck with the traffic) or Springfield (make sure you wear the proper gang colors), I doubt many of you will follow through on your threat.

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Given that I work in DC, and between DC & several shopping malls convenient to that commute (and my 2nd job IN Arlington) - I have Pentagon City and Ballston Commons nearby, and there are several mini-malls nearby.

Plus most if not all of the merchants have an online presence - and given that very few of the Potomac Mills merchants are true Outlets anymore - I can get the same or better deal online w/o hassle of traffic & parking. I get the same merchandise - but Potomac Mills gets none of my money. Having worked in the retail industry periodically in the past - I do put my money where my mouth is.
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Originally posted by CJ

Just goes to show if you do something you don't have to people will eventually believe they're entitled to it. For 25 years Potomac Mills has been allowing 4x the amount of spaces it needed to for use as commuter spaces, now they want to put in some restaurants to make some money and help get the PWC economy moving and y'all want to boycott. If you want to protest- go to a PWC supervisors meeting and ask them why in the 25 years they had to create more commuter spaces they disregarded their duty.
I hope all of you that say you're going to boycott do so because then I will be able to shop there with out so many people in my way. But realistically since your mall options are in Stafford (I'm not even sure that counts as a mall), Manassas (good luck with the traffic) or Springfield (make sure you wear the proper gang colors), I doubt many of you will follow through on your threat.

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Given that I work in DC, and between DC & several shopping malls convenient to that commute (and my 2nd job IN Arlington) - I have Pentagon City and Ballston Commons nearby, and there are several mini-malls nearby.

Plus most if not all of the merchants have an online presence - and given that very few of the Potomac Mills merchants are true Outlets anymore - I can get the same or better deal online w/o hassle of traffic & parking. I get the same merchandise - but Potomac Mills gets none of my money. Having worked in the retail industry periodically in the past - I do put my money where my mouth is.



Glad to hear it! I hope you do boycott PM. My question though still remains unanswered, why is everyone ticked off at PM and no such anger is being directed at PWC Board of Supervisors. PM provided 4x the amount of space for 25 years. That's like you giving someone 4 bucks every week, with no interest, no expectations and when you finally say hey I can't afford to do that anymore, they get mad. It's silly.

I don't know why some of you keep insisting that Potomac Mills sells nothing but crap but apparently you haven't been in there for awhile, despite using their parking lot for free. There are quite a few great stores in there. By the way, if y'all are able to afford to shop at Pentagon City or Tysons, good on you, guess all that money you save on gas is paying off.

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I am also upset that PM is downsizing from 1000 slots to 250 slots. My question is, "What Do We Do Now". I'm retired military and there must be a plan be somewhere. Can anyone say what the people will do that slug from PM after 7:30. I have noticed that someone mentioned the commuter lot at Dale City and Kmart? Is there in fact a commuter lot there? If so I propose that on February 14th, anyone who wants to slug to the District, Crystal City, and Roslyn, go to this commuter lot to catch a ride. Let us move on from this and get a solution.
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Kenny P- I agree, we need to get in front on this before Feb 14th. I have written my County Board of Supervisor and Corry Steward. Both have stated that they are looking in to the matter. I just have a feeling that the time they get a solution it will be to late. We, the slugging community need to take on the responsibilty ourselves. I also agree the the Kmart lot would be the best alternative. we need to know how many parking spaces are there and hope that Kmart has no problems with it.

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I agree but to go one step further. I don't think there is a big enough area that will handle all of the overflow of 700+++ cars. Maybe,we could designate one are for Rosslyn -Crystal City, another commuter lot for DC and another for Pentagon. This will keep lots to a minimum and possibly not have this problem again.
Anyone have any other ideas?? I have been slugging for over 10yrs and want to continue with it.
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Kenny P- I agree, we need to get in front on this before Feb 14th. I have written my County Board of Supervisor and Corry Steward. Both have stated that they are looking in to the matter. I just have a feeling that the time they get a solution it will be to late. We, the slugging community need to take on the responsibilty ourselves. I also agree the the Kmart lot would be the best alternative. we need to know how many parking spaces are there and hope that Kmart has no problems with it.

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I like PW county, but I've got news for the council. UPSCALE? who does the mall think is going to patronize these places? The people who can afford it (truly) won't want to be deluged by the ones trying to-- and they will abandon it. Traffic to get to PM on weekends is nightmarish, with 95 backed up in both directions. I realize that PM is trying to capitalize on the "American Dream", but they seem to have forgotten there is a recession. The mall took a hit when they reduced the parking last time, since most people who may have gone in on weekday evenings after work stopped doing that b/c they could no longer park there. They are going to take another hit. As a rule, I tend to avoid the mall anyway--it has truly digressed from when it first opened, and the most of the retailers hawk junk disguised as 'outlet'. So boycotting won't work, since most people boycott it anyway, either by design or intent. I wonder if the Mills corporation is as tuned into its customer base as it thinks. Most people I know who are slugging, especially closer to DC usually have the means to do shopping (ergo their commute), so why piss them off? Sure, the local economy may be good, but it gets better the closer into the city one moves. As for the other lots, 123 seems like an option, although getting there is a bear. Tacketts was there to pick up the brunt from PM, but has beens steadily filling up (including the overflow across the street) for some time now. I thought I saw construction for a new lot down the street from Tackett's. Anyone know anything about that?



Yeah, have they thought about how much business they will loose...my wife parks there and goes into Costco quite a bit after work...probably not anymore
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