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   I agree with you about Gas/Electric Hybrid's not truly qualifying for exemptions...but nonetheless, they are.  Here's a quote from VirginiaDOT.org

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	What happens on July 1, 2006 when the hybrid vehicle rule expires?  	

	There is no guarantee that HOV exemptions for inherently low-emission vehicles or hybrids will continue. Exemptions to rules pertaining to travel on HOV lanes are being scrutinized, and as more ILEVs and hybrids enter the HOV lanes, there becomes an increased need to examine their exempt status.

	The HOV Task Force Report released in August made this recommendation: "Do not extend the exemption for vehicles with clean special fuel license plates set to expire on July 1, 2006." The Federal Highway Administration has advised Virginia that its exemption for hybrid vehicles is in violation of current Federal statute.

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	Hopefully they will expire that illegal, and extremely deterimental exemption sooner than July 2006...but until then, we can just keep hoping that the drivers will learn on their own to help others in need and help reduce the congestion that we all face day-in and day-out.

	Mike (610-SLUG)

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Originally posted by Wagonman

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Originally posted by mfassler

	[br]What we're complaining about isn't so much the people operating the Hybrids...but the LAW.  THAT is what's WRONG!  Even VDOT clearly states that the HOV lanes were designed and built SOLELY for relieving traffic in the area...so while Hybrids may be great for the environment, that is not the purpose of the HOV lanes.  Allowing Hybrids on the HOV without the 3 people in it simply creates MORE traffic and when the current law expires next year, the hybrid owners can start doing their part in allieviating congestion.  They should be required (because of their fuel efficiency) to carry 4 people, rather than 3...if for no other reason, than to make up for the past few years that they've been allowed to "cheat."

	Mike (610-SLUG)

	Speaking of the law.  I recently tried looking up the law that exempts hybrids and I can't find it anymore.  There used to be specific language that stated that the Civic, Insight and Prius hybrids can get clean fuel plates.

	It was either part of VA � 46.2-749.3 or VA � 33.1-46.2 but it is no longer there. They used to include something along the lines of

	"for purposes of this section the Civic, Insight, and Prius hybrids are considered clean special fuel vehicles". I wrote the VA DMV to get an explanation of what law gives them the authority to issue clean fuel plates to hybrids and they never wrote me back.  Now I'm starting to wonder if the language that used to talk about hybrids was removed in some recent amendment to either of those sections of law.

	If you read http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-749.3 it is pretty obvious that the definition there can't apply to hybrids since they are talking about the actual fuel the car runs on being cleaner than conventional gas and hybrids run on conventional gasoline.  The other section doesn't mention hybrids http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+33.1-46.2

	Does anyone know where to get a clear answer about this since DMV has failed to respond?

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mfassler Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 24 Mar 2004 Location: Virginia Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote mfassler Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jun 2004 at 4:22pm
	I agree with you about Gas/Electric Hybrid's not truly qualifying for exemptions...but nonetheless, they are. Here's a quote from VirginiaDOT.org ---------------------------------- What happens on July 1, 2006 when the hybrid vehicle rule expires? There is no guarantee that HOV exemptions for inherently low-emission vehicles or hybrids will continue. Exemptions to rules pertaining to travel on HOV lanes are being scrutinized, and as more ILEVs and hybrids enter the HOV lanes, there becomes an increased need to examine their exempt status. The HOV Task Force Report released in August made this recommendation: "Do not extend the exemption for vehicles with clean special fuel license plates set to expire on July 1, 2006." The Federal Highway Administration has advised Virginia that its exemption for hybrid vehicles is in violation of current Federal statute. ----------------------------- Hopefully they will expire that illegal, and extremely deterimental exemption sooner than July 2006...but until then, we can just keep hoping that the drivers will learn on their own to help others in need and help reduce the congestion that we all face day-in and day-out. Mike (610-SLUG) quote: Originally posted by Wagonman [br] quote: Originally posted by mfassler [br]What we're complaining about isn't so much the people operating the Hybrids...but the LAW. THAT is what's WRONG! Even VDOT clearly states that the HOV lanes were designed and built SOLELY for relieving traffic in the area...so while Hybrids may be great for the environment, that is not the purpose of the HOV lanes. Allowing Hybrids on the HOV without the 3 people in it simply creates MORE traffic and when the current law expires next year, the hybrid owners can start doing their part in allieviating congestion. They should be required (because of their fuel efficiency) to carry 4 people, rather than 3...if for no other reason, than to make up for the past few years that they've been allowed to "cheat." Mike (610-SLUG) Speaking of the law. I recently tried looking up the law that exempts hybrids and I can't find it anymore. There used to be specific language that stated that the Civic, Insight and Prius hybrids can get clean fuel plates. It was either part of VA � 46.2-749.3 or VA � 33.1-46.2 but it is no longer there. They used to include something along the lines of "for purposes of this section the Civic, Insight, and Prius hybrids are considered clean special fuel vehicles". I wrote the VA DMV to get an explanation of what law gives them the authority to issue clean fuel plates to hybrids and they never wrote me back. Now I'm starting to wonder if the language that used to talk about hybrids was removed in some recent amendment to either of those sections of law. If you read http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-749.3 it is pretty obvious that the definition there can't apply to hybrids since they are talking about the actual fuel the car runs on being cleaner than conventional gas and hybrids run on conventional gasoline. The other section doesn't mention hybrids http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+33.1-46.2 Does anyone know where to get a clear answer about this since DMV has failed to respond?

Wagonman Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 05 Aug 2003 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Wagonman Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jun 2004 at 4:09pm
	quote: Originally posted by mfassler [br]What we're complaining about isn't so much the people operating the Hybrids...but the LAW. THAT is what's WRONG! Even VDOT clearly states that the HOV lanes were designed and built SOLELY for relieving traffic in the area...so while Hybrids may be great for the environment, that is not the purpose of the HOV lanes. Allowing Hybrids on the HOV without the 3 people in it simply creates MORE traffic and when the current law expires next year, the hybrid owners can start doing their part in allieviating congestion. They should be required (because of their fuel efficiency) to carry 4 people, rather than 3...if for no other reason, than to make up for the past few years that they've been allowed to "cheat." Mike (610-SLUG) Speaking of the law. I recently tried looking up the law that exempts hybrids and I can't find it anymore. There used to be specific language that stated that the Civic, Insight and Prius hybrids can get clean fuel plates. It was either part of VA � 46.2-749.3 or VA � 33.1-46.2 but it is no longer there. They used to include something along the lines of "for purposes of this section the Civic, Insight, and Prius hybrids are considered clean special fuel vehicles". I wrote the VA DMV to get an explanation of what law gives them the authority to issue clean fuel plates to hybrids and they never wrote me back. Now I'm starting to wonder if the language that used to talk about hybrids was removed in some recent amendment to either of those sections of law. If you read http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-749.3 it is pretty obvious that the definition there can't apply to hybrids since they are talking about the actual fuel the car runs on being cleaner than conventional gas and hybrids run on conventional gasoline. The other section doesn't mention hybrids http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+33.1-46.2 Does anyone know where to get a clear answer about this since DMV has failed to respond?

mfassler Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 24 Mar 2004 Location: Virginia Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote mfassler Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jun 2004 at 3:46pm
	What we're complaining about isn't so much the people operating the Hybrids...but the LAW. THAT is what's WRONG! Even VDOT clearly states that the HOV lanes were designed and built SOLELY for relieving traffic in the area...so while Hybrids may be great for the environment, that is not the purpose of the HOV lanes. Allowing Hybrids on the HOV without the 3 people in it simply creates MORE traffic and when the current law expires next year, the hybrid owners can start doing their part in allieviating congestion. They should be required (because of their fuel efficiency) to carry 4 people, rather than 3...if for no other reason, than to make up for the past few years that they've been allowed to "cheat." Mike (610-SLUG) quote: Originally posted by VA_Slugger [br]Mfassler, Bottom line is if the person is operating a Hybrid, they have more of an option/choice (legally), to use the HOV lanes than a non-Hybrid vehicle. Don't get me wrong, I love the slugging mentality, but I wish I had that "choice" more often. Now I not saying I wish I had a Hybrid, just the option of using the HOV (legally), without picking up slugs...during the HOV posted times. Hope I didn't open myself up for potshots! [;)] !

VA_Slugger Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 09 Apr 2003 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote VA_Slugger Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jun 2004 at 3:41pm
	Mfassler, Bottom line is if the person is operating a Hybrid, they have more of an option/choice (legally), to use the HOV lanes than a non-Hybrid vehicle. Don't get me wrong, I love the slugging mentality, but I wish I had that "choice" more often. Now I not saying I wish I had a Hybrid, just the option of using the HOV (legally), without picking up slugs...during the HOV posted times. Hope I didn't open myself up for potshots! [;)] !

mfassler Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 24 Mar 2004 Location: Virginia Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote mfassler Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jun 2004 at 3:21pm
	Works in Reston? I guess that qualifies for some slack. However, I'm surprised that LSG uses I-95 or the HOV at all, rather than taking the back way out 610 through Manassas. But whatever works.... --610-SLUG quote: Originally posted by ronin718 [br]LSG works out in the Reston area (got this from another thread). Gotta cut her some slack.

ronin718 Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 30 Dec 2003 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote ronin718 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jun 2004 at 3:15pm
	LSG works out in the Reston area (got this from another thread). Gotta cut her some slack.

mfassler Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 24 Mar 2004 Location: Virginia Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote mfassler Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jun 2004 at 2:19pm
	Where do you work that there are no drop-offs by you? If you go remotely close to DC, you can always jump off/on at the Pentagon to drop people at least. If you want to get a Hybrid to save on fuel economy or for our "natural resources" that's great, but DON'T destroy the whole purpose of the HOV. For every hybrid that drives by him/herself on the HOV, there are TWO more cars having to sit in the regular lanes because someone didn't pick them up. That WASTES our natural resources, and causes more gridlock. There is no excuse! 610-SLUG quote: Originally posted by ScarletLSG [br]SOME Hybrid drivers ... pick up slugs ... if possible, I do in the evening. AND I have a personalized plate ... don't think I'll advertise what it is though. Don't bash me for NOT picking them up all the time. There are no slug lots or drop-offs that are remotely close to my work. ScarletLSG quote: Originally posted by Bob [br]I fantasize about the day when hybrids won't be allowed in the HOV and the hybrids will be stuck in traffic in the regular lanes with these cutesy plates like "ME 4 HOV!" Bob

ScarletLSG Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 27 May 2004 Location: HI Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote ScarletLSG Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jun 2004 at 2:11pm
	SOME Hybrid drivers ... pick up slugs ... if possible, I do in the evening. AND I have a personalized plate ... don't think I'll advertise what it is though. Don't bash me for NOT picking them up all the time. There are no slug lots or drop-offs that are remotely close to my work. ScarletLSG quote: Originally posted by Bob [br]I fantasize about the day when hybrids won't be allowed in the HOV and the hybrids will be stuck in traffic in the regular lanes with these cutesy plates like "ME 4 HOV!" Bob

emancilla Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 30 Sep 2003 Location: Virginia Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote emancilla Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jun 2004 at 1:14pm
	I saw an hybrid car's vanity plate that reads: "ONE4HOV". I hope not for too long.

mfassler Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 24 Mar 2004 Location: Virginia Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote mfassler Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 Apr 2004 at 7:56am
	That's cool...because I just saw that one (HOV2RT3) just last night! :) 610-SLUG (Mike Fassler) quote: Originally posted by mpatoka [br]I also saw one that read "HOV2RT3". That's definitely what we need.