Had one of THOSE kind of drivers last night

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Originally posted by mycroftt
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Originally posted by ronin718


If the person doing 55 is obeying the law, the problem is with those who are not.

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That's true. The ironic part is that this law-abiding individual is the one who is introducing the risk by his behaviour. If he were to exceed the posted limit like everyone else, relative speeds would be near zero and risk would be reduced. Clearly we have a case of bad law introducing an unnecessary level of risk (coupled, of course, with the utter failure of the traffic authorities to devise and implement highway design that is safe and meets transportation requirements).

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The 55 limit has been in place for as long as many of these people have been driving, but because they feel (correctly or not) they can control their car at the higher speeds, they push the limits. No, what we have is a group of individuals who can't be inconvenienced by long established limits and consider themselves above the law.

If the laws are so bad, then what is being done to change them? Obviously, other minds consider these laws valid.

any driver that thinks that going 80, 85 or 90 while having slugs is not only an arrogant idiot, but a danger to himself and others. It's people like these that are the largest source of problems on the highway.

They think the rules don't apply to them.

and often will be the first to complain when they get stopped. They'll be the first to claim they are being "profiled" by race, the type of car they drive, their age, or whatever.

Unfortunately as a slug, I can't always recognize the idiot drivers and avoid them the next time.

It's just common courtesy if you are taking strangers into your car to treat the highway NOT like a time trial at Indy.

If you want to kill yourself, do so on your own time and when people aren't in your car.

pb1974... Okay. Works for me.

glacier... (1) If the person doing 55 is obeying the law, the problem is with those who are not. It's a sheep or lemming thing. Just because others are thumbing their noses at the speed limit doesn't mean everyone should be forced to. If it's so okay to do 75-80, then why do the brakes get slammed on as soon as a police cruiser makes an appearance? Sorry, you're not going to get me to budge on this one.

(2) Yes, I've driven the Jersey Turnpike... in the right lane. (3) I didn't proclaim myself Society's spokesperson. I just said society determines what is reckless driving, and set up the law to enforce it.

(4) The 65/70/75 limits only "came back" less than 10 years ago, and I haven't seen anything above 70 in this state or area. Apparently somebody took today's cars into consideration, along with the roads, the traffic, and the population density. I, too, have driven all over this country, and where appropriate I've driven 75-85 MPH. But those speeds were all done west of the Mississippi where the limits are set that high. And I've spent my time enforcing the laws in the military community on those who've deemed themselves above it all for whatever reason. Maybe if people would try abiding by the laws, instead of putting themselves above them, we'd all get along a little better... on the roads and off.

Another man's opinion

If the flow of traffic is averaging 75-80 and and you're doing 55 - exactly who is the problem? Ever been on the Jersey Turnpike? Who deemed anyone on this website to be the spokes person for our Society? Also, what decade were the 55/65 mph limits set? For what reason (gas savings?), and do they take into account the cars on the road today?

As a navy pilot I've lived all over the country and have driven on metropolitan highways in taffic (ie: along w/ everyone else) averaging 75-85 mph w/ no problem.

Just one man's opinion

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Originally posted by pb1974
[br]Your comparison of my comment to someone drinking and driving is offensive. And I never said that it would fly legally, nor would I ever argue that to a cop or a judge. I was merely pointing out that there IS a difference between the legal definition of reckless driving according to the Commonwealth of Virginia, and someone driving 80 and not endangering anyone.

PS. I am a slug, I do not drive anyone other than myself in my car.

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Okay, you're offended. That doesn't negate the fact the two statements are similar. The "I can control my vehicle safely" is used by both groups. It's rare to find a driver doing something illegal that doesn't justify it or excuse it with some lame reasoning, yours truly included.

There is NO excuse or reason for driving 80 in this area, and by that I mean the area where the predominate speed limit is 55. Since you're coming in from Fredericksburg, I can understand doing maybe 75 down below Quantico, but do you drop down to 65 when you hit the lower speed zone, or are you still flying at 80? In these areas of closely "divided" highways, this IS reckless, as determined by society and established by our laws. How many accidents have occured where a vehicle (or part) has jumped/flown over the barrier and impacted an oncoming vehicle? You never know when something like this might happen, and you have a greater chance of controlling your vehicle in an emergency situation at 60 than 80.