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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote USA Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Jun 2004 at 4:53pm
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[br]So I could get a Hummer, modify the engine, get the tags and drive solo? Cool...


Yup! Or how about a CNG Ferrari? I bet getting Ferrari of Washington to repair that would be difficult, though.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote USA Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Jun 2004 at 4:56pm
BTW, there is also such a thing as a "bi-fuel" vehicle. Someone who gets a vehicle retrofitted for CNG can also have it fitted to run on either the CNG or regular gasoline. (This further shows that it's not a special engine.) Mazda recently demoed an RX-8 that runs on either gas or hydrogen using the same 2-rotor W a n k e l that's in the normal car. (The name of the engine is spaced out because the board software censored the first four letters.)

The rub, and the reason why people do not bi-fuel very much around here, is that bi-fuel vehicles are not eligible for the CF tag and the HOV exemption. (Think about why--if you got a bi-fuel and the CF tag, why would you go to the trouble of going out of your way to fill up with CNG when you could just go to your corner Exxon and fill up there?)
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the last two characters on the plate make no difference, it's the symbol on the left and the writing that says "clean special fuel" that grants the exception. Funny that gasoline powered hybrids don't qualify for "clean special fuel" plates according to the rules quoted above.
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I believe that DMV erred with some of their policies on the clean fuel plates. First, the clean fuel plate should have been a very distintive color or something that can be identified from a long ways away for enforcement. Second, they may not have thought things through in that the CF designation would be tapped out and they would have to have a new designation. Third, clean fuel vehicles should not be allowed to have vanity tags. Why? Because there is a reason to have the CF designation stay on the plate.. For enforcement.
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[br]2-rotor W a n k e l that's in the normal car. (The name of the engine is spaced out because the board software censored the first four letters.)


LOL!! Felix would be so proud.
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OK ... I think that the whole clean fuel issue is wonderful for our environment. That being said, I think that the HOV-3 is also a wonderful thing for my environment.

NOW ... to my actual point. The HOV-3 lanes were instituted to assist in HIGH TRAFFIC maintenance in the Metro DC area. By allowing the CF vehicles in the HOV-3 lanes with only one person, you've totally defeated the purpose of having HOV-3 in the first place.

HOV = High Occupancy Vehicles ... NOT Clean Fuel! Let's try to keep our traffic situations under control and require those persons with CF vehicles to adhere to the HOV regulations as well!

Notice how the traffic in the HOV-3 lanes has DRAMATICALLY INCREASED since more single drivers in CF vehicles are able to use it. Hmmm ... makes you think that if you have the $$ to purchase the vehicles, you should have the right to drive wherever you want ... and VA supports it.

My $.02, that's all :)
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I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one.[^] The roads have gotten consistently worse over the past few years not due to 10,000+ new hybrids that were sold. In fact not ALL hybrids were bought to use the HOV. I personally use whatever road that i can. With my current position, i don't use my hybrid for travel on HOV (rt66/tollroad) hardly. I'm using the decidely more congested alternate routes, since back in the olden pre-dot-com days, and during even. I use rt50, 236, rt29, etc. It's not more hybrids on the road it's more people on the road. Jobs have picked back up. Statistics consistently show that over all other factors to congestion, more roads, more people, etc, the fact is that when the economy is up, traffic rises with it. Overall there are more private sector jobs, govt jobs, people are back to work, unemploymentit comes with the terrirtory. Being in the area we're in it's mostly connected to the government, that's why we're in the area, and it's just something we're dealing with seeing as how most lines of business are very "close" to the capitol, physically as well as contractually. I personally have yet to find work with a contractor or other business that DOESN'T have relations or doesn't market to government agencies.

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[br]OK ... I think that the whole clean fuel issue is wonderful for our environment. That being said, I think that the HOV-3 is also a wonderful thing for my environment.

NOW ... to my actual point. The HOV-3 lanes were instituted to assist in HIGH TRAFFIC maintenance in the Metro DC area. By allowing the CF vehicles in the HOV-3 lanes with only one person, you've totally defeated the purpose of having HOV-3 in the first place.

HOV = High Occupancy Vehicles ... NOT Clean Fuel! Let's try to keep our traffic situations under control and require those persons with CF vehicles to adhere to the HOV regulations as well!

Notice how the traffic in the HOV-3 lanes has DRAMATICALLY INCREASED since more single drivers in CF vehicles are able to use it. Hmmm ... makes you think that if you have the $$ to purchase the vehicles, you should have the right to drive wherever you want ... and VA supports it.

My $.02, that's all :)

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Hybrid owners that choose to drive themselves in the HOV lanes are nothing more than HOV violators with a little extra money to burn. With that said, there are exceptions (those who have wild commutes like from the south over to Tysons, etc) but to those who continue up 395 into our city, shame on you. Pick up some folks, help out society, be a citizen. I realize the law allows your behavior, but you all know the system and it works great, don't be so self absorbed. And, if not the only cause of the heavy traffic over the past year, hybrids are a major contributor. Everyone knows that while creeping along with our passengers we count 3, 4, and 5 hybirds sitting within a few car lengths of each other. I'm all for the environment, and hybrids in general, but put some bodies in there people. OK?
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I think you are taking this too personal, Geezehead. You can't judge hybrid owners. This isn't a societal debate -- the hybrid owners participating citizen in this society! I think non-hybrid owners should get off their soap boxes and write your congress men/women about ALL the issues plaguing the HOV: 1. off duty policemen, 2. violator, 3. hybrids, 4. the opening of HOV at Edsall road, 5. extension of time in the evening hours.
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Thanks both of you, stuck2, and geeze ;)
Overall it's just unfair to blame hybrids, or lump "everyone" together. My own reasons as well as others i know had not just 1 reason but rather a multifaceted reason to go with the hybrid.
You're darn tootin' [:D] it's a great way to asist your otherwise normal commute, but to say i'm a violator in disguise, or one with loads of cash... I would NEVER break the hov rule, never had, i used to be scared to get off 110 and be on 66 for a split second to get onto 29 on my way home.

There's a fundamental issue and reason for the each side's bitterness or "justification." and also a current one: Historically the debate of wether or not HOV was created initially for environmental issues, or congestion issues, and currently, traffic in this region just plain sucks! [V] hence the emotion behind it. Ever notice how upset and vocal everyone gets when posting RIGHT after either their bad day, bad commute, or bad slug experience [:D]

My wife and I recently had our first child and my 1 1/2 hour to 2 hour (sometimes more) commute to something 20 miles away, and just 25mins without traffic, was severely impacting how i was able to help out my family and affecting me. Carpooling, which i was doing, or anything else i could do to shorten the commute is what i did, i was determined to do that, it was sanctioned, i researched, and yes, cutting my commute was my determining factor in a sea of other factors of why i was even thinking about getting one.

I do not think congestion was the original reason to start HOV but rather the environment due to the energy crisis, now it comes to include all of the above, reduce vehicles on the road, environment, and all. I don't think HOT lanes are a good idea, but charging tolls would be ;) Have you seen the HOV lanes on the toll-road lately? They are great! =) I don't think anyone wants to pay $1.50 a day to go home and back, but they'd waste more than that sitting on any of the other roads [:p]. I have been on HOV and seen other more multiple rider hybrids and carpools with MORE than the required 2 or 3, and unfortunately lots of plain old violators. I know that my wife is almost scared to ride with our infant, now toddler on HOV since you can't see his car-seat from the road. It's just a mess in it's current state. Hence all the frustration and heated debate.


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[br]I think you are taking this too personal, Geezehead. You can't judge hybrid owners. This isn't a societal debate -- the hybrid owners participating citizen in this society! I think non-hybrid owners should get off their soap boxes and write your congress men/women about ALL the issues plaguing the HOV: 1. off duty policemen, 2. violator, 3. hybrids, 4. the opening of HOV at Edsall road, 5. extension of time in the evening hours.

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