HOV signs and plates

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   I took a look at your Clean Air plates and all I can say is, "Man, are you guys lucky!" Here in SoCal we have to put FOUR stickers on the car on front, back, right and left, and they are uuugggly! 

	BTW, California limits hybrid use to certain fuel efficient/low polluting hybrids only, has a "soft cap" of 50,000 permits (pending review by the Highway Patrol and DoT) and a "hard cap" of 75,000 over the entire state, and the program ends on 1-1-2007 unless extended before then.

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JKnight Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 20 Oct 2005 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote JKnight Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: HOV signs and plates Posted: 20 Oct 2005 at 4:17pm
	I took a look at your Clean Air plates and all I can say is, "Man, are you guys lucky!" Here in SoCal we have to put FOUR stickers on the car on front, back, right and left, and they are uuugggly! BTW, California limits hybrid use to certain fuel efficient/low polluting hybrids only, has a "soft cap" of 50,000 permits (pending review by the Highway Patrol and DoT) and a "hard cap" of 75,000 over the entire state, and the program ends on 1-1-2007 unless extended before then. Jan

MDC Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 04 Dec 2002 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote MDC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 Oct 2005 at 3:55pm
	Everyone should already be aware that you lose money big-time when you buy a hybrid. Money that you can't make up by gas savings or incentives. All there is left, is the "coolness"/"environmental" factor, and the HOV exemption.

wmcg Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 21 Jul 2005 Location: Virginia Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote wmcg Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 Oct 2005 at 11:03am
	quote: Originally posted by wmcg [br] quote: Originally posted by Bob [br]Yes, hybrid sales have skyrocketed and we are in for another big surge of hybrids. It seems like the growh had leveled off slightly (in terms of seeing dealer plates anyway), but with the high gas prices we will see a big impact next year. But --do I have confidence that the powers that be are monitoring the growth or do I think that they will let them completely jam the HOV lane before they finally kick them out? Also, we need to end any and all tax incentives for cars that are selling like hotcakes. Why are we subsidizing these things when 90 percent of owners are no doubt pulling down 100K? The subsidies were to get things started. They should end. In this mornings Detroit News (www.detroitnews.com) there is an article regarding Hybrids and presents facts that explain why they are NOT particularly good deals financially. Good reading for those of us who dislike the ugly little suckers.

wmcg Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 21 Jul 2005 Location: Virginia Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote wmcg Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 Oct 2005 at 11:00am
	quote: Originally posted by Bob [br]Yes, hybrid sales have skyrocketed and we are in for another big surge of hybrids. It seems like the growh had leveled off slightly (in terms of seeing dealer plates anyway), but with the high gas prices we will see a big impact next year. But --do I have confidence that the powers that be are monitoring the growth or do I think that they will let them completely jam the HOV lane before they finally kick them out? Also, we need to end any and all tax incentives for cars that are selling like hotcakes. Why are we subsidizing these things when 90 percent of owners are no doubt pulling down 100K? The subsidies were to get things started. They should end.

Bob Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 14 Dec 2001 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Bob Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 Oct 2005 at 8:10am
	Yes, hybrid sales have skyrocketed and we are in for another big surge of hybrids. It seems like the growh had leveled off slightly (in terms of seeing dealer plates anyway), but with the high gas prices we will see a big impact next year. But --do I have confidence that the powers that be are monitoring the growth or do I think that they will let them completely jam the HOV lane before they finally kick them out? Also, we need to end any and all tax incentives for cars that are selling like hotcakes. Why are we subsidizing these things when 90 percent of owners are no doubt pulling down 100K? The subsidies were to get things started. They should end.

HOV3Slug Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 14 Oct 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote HOV3Slug Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 Oct 2005 at 8:05am
	NoSUV, I would not and I do not rely on VDOT�s information when it contradicts what I experience. The reason this and other web sites like it exist is because VDOT is a bunch of idiots from Richmond who could give a rat's ass about us. When they tried to get us to go to HOV-2 and used a film of the HOV lanes being underutilized the date on the film was June 29. Days before July 4, heck the regular lanes were probably wide open. Just out of morbid curiosity, do you think the current exemption for single rider hybrids should be renewed or do you think hybrids should start picking up two other riders?

NoSUV Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote NoSUV Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 Oct 2005 at 7:30am
	Actually, it's the pickups and SUVs that are driving more slowly now with the gas prices so high - it's rare that it's a hybrid slowing down traffic. Also, have yet to see an accident in the express lanes involving a hybrid. What's up with that? And still, express lanes move much faster than regular lanes. Every day. With SOV hybrids. Obviously not enough of 'em to change the balance.

HOV3Slug Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 14 Oct 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote HOV3Slug Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 Oct 2005 at 6:39pm
	With gas at $3 a gallon folks are buying hybrids left and right. You think things are bad now, just wait. Yes, single rider hybrids have diminished the performance of the HOV lanes. Lift the exemption for them now so the rest of us can get to and from work at the posted speed limit of 65+ MPH. Getting three riders in those hybrid cars will get that many more other cars off the road too. We also need our fellow slugs in those hybrid cars too. When the driver is doing only 60 MPH the slugs (they can be a tag team) can tell the driver to move his/her hybrid ass.[:D]

Paladin Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Paladin Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 Oct 2005 at 4:13pm
	quote: Originally posted by NoSUV [br]Except our HOV/Express lanes are not jammed with hybrids. By VDOT's count, they make up about 1/5 - about the same number as cheaters. Not jammed? Says you. I've had several days when I have seen 6-10 Hybrids around me (all single driver). And explain to me how have 30-40% of the current vehicle total off the road is going to hurt the stop and go traffic I was in yesterday all the way from occoquan to King Street? Yeah, we need to have draconian measures to deal with violators and no hybrid exemption.

bnvus Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote bnvus Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 Oct 2005 at 4:01pm
	^ ^^^ ^^^^^ ^ ^ ^ HaHaHa...that is funny.